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The Breezy Skeleton · 06-20-2008, 08:31 AM

It appears to me that a lot of you are looking at the modern day Superman basing your opinions on stuff like the 2006 Superman Returns movie. And you know what? If we are looking at THAT Superman, then I wholeheartedly agree. Goku would whipe the floor with him.

But the modern Superman is nothing but a shell of what he was 20ish years ago. Pre-Crisis Superman is ridiculous- making today's Superman look like a joke. The difference is as stark as comparing young Goku in DB to SSJ4 Goku in GT. If we are putting Pre-Crisis Superman up against SSJ4 Goku, I give the battle to Supes.

Here are a list of a few of Pre-Crisis (early 1980s) Superman's abilities:
*Super Speed- At this time period, Superman could move FASTER than the speed of light. He could travel to new galaxies and even universes with realative ease. Goku can't move that fast (sure he has Instant Transmission- but that was never a measure of his battle speed- while this is Superman's).
*Super Strenght- Superman could move entire PLANETS with his strength. I've never seen Goku move something that massive.
*Time Travel- Superman can travel in time simply because of how fast he can move.
*Super Intelligence- Superman is a genius far more intelligent than any normal human.
*Telekenesis- Yes, Superman can move crap with his mind- even at a HUGE distance.
*Prescience- Superman can fricking predict the future to a certain extent. Stuff like knowing that a tornado is coming far before any scientific prediction would make people worry.
*Hypnotism- Superman can do Jedi-mind tricks. I'm not making this crap up... This was a canon explanation as to why people didn't obviously recognize that Clark Kent was Supes.
*Invulnerability- The man can pass through the center of the sun unphased, and can even crush a black hole with his bare fist.
*A Crapload of other powers- There were so many ridiculous powers given to Pre-Crisis Superman (sometimes only for one issue) that the multitude of writers couldn't even keep up and remember them all.

Now, I may be mistaken, but I don't think you were putting Goku up against THIS Superman. As I said before, Superman Returns is a whimp, but I want to see if you guys still think Goku can win against this.

06-20-2008, 08:31 AM	#29 (permalink)
The Breezy Skeleton Chaos Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 30 Rep Power: 2	It appears to me that a lot of you are looking at the modern day Superman basing your opinions on stuff like the 2006 Superman Returns movie. And you know what? If we are looking at THAT Superman, then I wholeheartedly agree. Goku would whipe the floor with him. But the modern Superman is nothing but a shell of what he was 20ish years ago. Pre-Crisis Superman is ridiculous- making today's Superman look like a joke. The difference is as stark as comparing young Goku in DB to SSJ4 Goku in GT. If we are putting Pre-Crisis Superman up against SSJ4 Goku, I give the battle to Supes. Here are a list of a few of Pre-Crisis (early 1980s) Superman's abilities: *Super Speed- At this time period, Superman could move FASTER than the speed of light. He could travel to new galaxies and even universes with realative ease. Goku can't move that fast (sure he has Instant Transmission- but that was never a measure of his battle speed- while this is Superman's). *Super Strenght- Superman could move entire PLANETS with his strength. I've never seen Goku move something that massive. *Time Travel- Superman can travel in time simply because of how fast he can move. *Super Intelligence- Superman is a genius far more intelligent than any normal human. *Telekenesis- Yes, Superman can move crap with his mind- even at a HUGE distance. *Prescience- Superman can fricking predict the future to a certain extent. Stuff like knowing that a tornado is coming far before any scientific prediction would make people worry. *Hypnotism- Superman can do Jedi-mind tricks. I'm not making this crap up... This was a canon explanation as to why people didn't obviously recognize that Clark Kent was Supes. *Invulnerability- The man can pass through the center of the sun unphased, and can even crush a black hole with his bare fist. *A Crapload of other powers- There were so many ridiculous powers given to Pre-Crisis Superman (sometimes only for one issue) that the multitude of writers couldn't even keep up and remember them all. Now, I may be mistaken, but I don't think you were putting Goku up against THIS Superman. As I said before, Superman Returns is a whimp, but I want to see if you guys still think Goku can win against this.