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mercer_sensei

02-10-2008, 12:03 AM

I can't help it, I really want to know people's thoughts on this topic.

Is it wrong to be homosexual?

I dont like it, in fact I actually find it disgusting, but I can tolerate it, I even have a couple frinds that are homosexual... Ill let you do as you please as long as you dont try to push it onto me. I dont think male/female PDA is very courteous, and I really dont think male/male or female/female PDA is courteous at all either. Its great to love someone, but keep that shit behind closed doors...

Is it against God?

Yes. There is no doubt that God struck down the cities of Sodom and Gammorah because they were filled with homosexual individuals. Therefore it impossible for there to be a Christian homosexual.

Can people choose not to be homosexual?

I have no idea, I dont think like them, so I dont know if they are able to think that way. I personally cant think of being homosexual, so I dont know if they are able to think any other way.

Are people born that way? Is it a crime against nature?

I dont know about the whole being born homosexual disposition thing, but I think it could happen. I dont consider it a crime against nature, I just dont think that homosexuals ought to reproduce. If it is in there genes to be homosexual, then if they were in the wild, they wouldnt be able to reproduce, so they ought not to in society either.

Are any of the homosexual stereotypes true?

I can usually pick male homosexuals out of a crowd. I cant pick all of them and sometimes Im wrong, but they tend to carry a different aura than striaght people. Im not good at picking out female homosexuals, well I can pick the really butch dyke bitches, but not many of the other ones.

Are there more homosexual males than females?

I cant say that Ive ever even wondered about this.

This should be fun. ^^

I really like this debate section! ^^

Aca

02-10-2008, 12:18 AM

i consider myself to be a open and good person,and to have a neutral or positive view on most things BUT I HATE FAGS! ... that's not natural!
I DO LOVE GAY-BASHING! ... sorry if this offends any1,but i don't care.

skullreken

02-10-2008, 12:20 AM

Personally i don't have anything against them as long as their relationships are consensual and they don't force themselves on me when I tell them that I'm straight.
I don't think that it is a genetic thing I think that it is more of a mental thing that occurs during a child's development there have been plenty of gays who hid what they were back when it was illegal to be gay married people of the opposite sex and had kids who turned out to be straight. So I think to ban them from reproducing is stupid we would be revisiting the forced castration of people who had what were considered to be inferior genes back in Nazi Germany and the certain countries during the early study of genetics in the 50's and 60's.Personally I am not up for same sex couples raising children I think it is unnatural and can warp the child.
As about detecting gays it's as Mercer said you kind of get a feeling about them and 90% of the time you are right one thing I have noticed is that gays rarely tend to act camp more often than not effeminate men are straight I tell you something you don't want to insult any of my gay friends because they would beat the shit out of you!

SnifflingDarK

02-10-2008, 12:37 AM

i am a bisexual and to me homosexuals and hetrosexuals are just people i do not lable them as for i do not wished to be lable ether
i know who i am and what i am and pride is what i feel

mercer_sensei

02-10-2008, 01:01 AM

sorry if weve offended ya snifflingdark, but even though i know its morally wrong to judge people, everyone does it and I do too. I judge people. Someones past makes them do something, its cool with me. Just because I dont agree with them, I try not to be overtly biased towards them. If a female that I liked used to be homosexual or is bisexual, as long as she is faithful to me, her past is important but not the deciding factor.

kami

02-10-2008, 02:08 AM

I dont like it, in fact I actually find it disgusting, but I can tolerate it, I even have a couple frinds that are homosexual... Ill let you do as you please as long as you dont try to push it onto me.

Personally i don't have anything against them as long as their relationships are consensual and they don't force themselves on me when I tell them that I'm straight.

Are you guys saying that homosexuals are more likely to push their sexuality on straight people than straights on gays? I've never heard of many people trying to seduce straight people, so I don't get what the problem is here...

Yes. There is no doubt that God struck down the cities of Sodom and Gammorah because they were filled with homosexual individuals. Therefore it impossible for there to be a Christian homosexual.

Sorry, but I completely disagree. It may be against the teachings of the bible for people to be gay, but plenty of Christians are homosexual. I have an uncle who is Christian and gay, and he doesn't seem to have any problems. My whole family accepts him, and everything is good.

I dont know about the whole being born homosexual disposition thing, but I think it could happen. I dont consider it a crime against nature, I just dont think that homosexuals ought to reproduce. If it is in there genes to be homosexual, then if they were in the wild, they wouldnt be able to reproduce, so they ought not to in society either.

You obviously have something against homosexuals, if you don't think they should reproduce. But homosexuality has lasted through centuries, and may have been in existence even since humans came into existence. I don't think they're going to go away any time soon.[/quote]

I don't think that it is a genetic thing I think that it is more of a mental thing that occurs during a child's development there have been plenty of gays who hid what they were back when it was illegal to be gay married people of the opposite sex and had kids who turned out to be straight.

It may also be that people become homosexual while in the womb, because they are introduced to different hormones at different times with different concentrations. That might explain why there is a range of how homosexual people really are, with straight being at one end, homosexual at the other, and bisexual in the middle.

As about detecting gays it's as Mercer said you kind of get a feeling about them and 90% of the time

Do you mean you can detect only males, or females as well?

If people are born homosexual, then it is not their fault they they are that way. This means that it is just as wrong to discriminate against them as it is to discriminate against people of a different race than yours. If people could choose not to be gay, I suspect every gay person would become straight. Who wants to be gay and have to deal with the discrimination they get from everyone they meet?

Also, at Aca: how is being homosexual not natural? There are plenty of animals in nature that have homosexual tendencies, just google it.

skullreken

02-10-2008, 02:31 AM

@ Kami

I have had gays try to pick me up before mainly because I hang out with two gays
Gays are not more likely to push themselves on you I was just making the point that it annoys me if they keep coming onto me after I have made it clear that I am not interested like wise if a woman carried on like that towards me I would get annoyed.

I can detect gay men by their body language I'm not good at picking up on gay women you would probably have better luck seeing as you are a woman and would pick up subtle differences that guys wouldn't

wondering

02-10-2008, 03:25 AM

"Sorry, but I completely disagree. It may be against the teachings of the bible for people to be gay, but plenty of Christians are homosexual. I have an uncle who is Christian and gay, and he doesn't seem to have any problems. My whole family accepts him, and everything is good."

Are you sure they're Christians? What do you define as a Christian?(I know I'm being picky here, lol) Is it a person who follows the teachings of Christ? Isn't the very nature of Christianity is that it transforms people to live like Jesus Christ? Isn't it a direct contradiction of God's word?

"It may also be that people become homosexual while in the womb, because they are introduced to different hormones at different times with different concentrations. That might explain why there is a range of how homosexual people really are, with straight being at one end, homosexual at the other, and bisexual in the middle."

1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that weren't caused by their behavior
Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but such studies have usually been discounted after careful scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a single heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none that is replicable. While the absence of such a discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found because none exists.

2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and behaviors are learned
Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they "got that way." The first of these studies was conducted by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The second, in 1970, involved 979 homosexuals. Both were conducted prior to the period when the "gay rights" movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual origins. Both reported essentially the same findings: Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences.
In a 1983 study conducted by the Family Research Instituteinvolving a random sample of 147 homosexuals, 35% said their sexual desires were hereditary. Interestingly, almost 80% of the 3,400 heterosexuals in the same study said that their preferences and behavior were learned.

I'll be honest. This isn't in my own words. (Copy and Paste, lol) But I was trying to use some ethos here.

dingchavez

02-10-2008, 03:37 AM

Yes. There is no doubt that God struck down the cities of Sodom and Gammorah because they were filled with homosexual individuals. Therefore it impossible for there to be a Christian homosexual.

I'm pretty sure if you go by all that Old Testament bollocks its impossible for anyone to be Christian nowadays.

Eat any pork lately? Any tattos? You're going to hell.

kami

02-10-2008, 03:53 AM

I'm pretty sure if you go by all that Old Testament bollocks its impossible for anyone to be Christian nowadays.

Eat any pork lately? Any tattos? You're going to hell.

Thank you for that point. Nobody is a true Christian these days. It is impossible in this day and age to follow all the teachings in the bible to a T. I haven't read the bible, so I don't know any specific examples, but I'm betting all you Christians out there have gone against something said in the bible. By my definition, Christians are people that believe in God and use the teachings of Jesus as guidelines for their lives.

I do wonder if there are more homosexual males than females. It seems like either they are more common, more obvious, more open, or just more publicly criticized.

wondering

02-10-2008, 03:57 AM

I'm pretty sure if you go by all that Old Testament bollocks its impossible for anyone to be Christian nowadays.

Eat any pork lately? Any tattos? You're going to hell.

Have you read the Bible? If not, about that pork:
Romans 14
2 One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
3 The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.
4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Acts 10
Peter went up on the roof to pray.
10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.
11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

About the tattoo:
Romans 18
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14 As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15 If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men

Now, sorry about pounding bible verse after bible verse on you, but I wouldn't have done that if it wasn't for the fact that you said if I ate pork and had a tattoo then I'd go to the hell, lol. Now, how did all of that even relate to this? lol, I was only trying to disprove a point used in this thread.

dingchavez

02-10-2008, 05:35 PM

crystalgazer

02-10-2008, 06:51 PM

^ Thanks for those points, ding. I think people like to apply the words of their holy book of choice literally when it suits them, forgetting that if you're going to do that with one section, it's only fair and logical that you follow it all literally - if you don't want to do that, don't take any of it literally; it's quite simple.

I have a great deal of sympathy for homosexual people; it saddens me greatly that people are discriminated and ridiculed because of who they love and are attracted to, just because it makes narrow-minded people uncomfortable. The vast, vast, vast majority of the time, who a gay person decides to get with doesn't affect a straight person in any conceivable way, so why in the world is there any reason to judge them? Why do you care, people who dislike gay people? As for whether gay people are born that way, I think it's a non-issue; I believe you love who you love, and you should never be discriminated against because of that.

I heard somewhere that around 10% of the population can be expected to be homosexual, so there should be just as many female gay people as male. I think that society tends to ignore female homosexuals and bisexuals by and large; male homosexuals are more targeted and noticed probably because what constitutes 'manliness' and 'masculinity' in society is much stricter than what's considered female and feminine, though simply ignoring a sub-set of society isn't right either.

kami

02-10-2008, 07:44 PM

I heard somewhere that around 10% of the population can be expected to be homosexual, so there should be just as many female gay people as male.

I don't think the one in ten figure is quite accurate. Here is some information I dug up from the internet. Also, I have a question: Do you guys, in general, have more against homosexual males than females? Do they seem worse?

D. More revealing: gay leaders now admit to abusing the 10% figure for their own gain

NY Times 4/16: "Gay leaders have contended that the number of gay and lesbian Americans was around 10 percent, a figure that many of them suspected to be inflated. But they repeated the number often, they said, as a way of encouraging the nation’s large population of closeted homosexuals to be open about their sexual identity."

Newsweek, 2/15: "Some gay activists now concede that they exploited the Kinsey estimate for its tactical value, not its accuracy. ‘We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness,’ says Tom Stoddard, former head of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund."

III. Kinsey’s Role in History of 10% Figure

A. Before Kinsey, homosexuality considered fairly rare

1. Medical and psychiatric communities speculated that the figure was around 2% or so
Kinsey’s claims

a. 10% predominantly homosexual for at least 3 years of adulthood
b. 18% bisexual or homosexual for at least 3 years of adulthood
c. 4% exclusively gay throughout adulthood
d. 37% of men with some post-pubertal homosexual experience
V. The Truth as Best We Know It

A. FRI research: we examined over 35 of "best" studies available
D. Findings on homosexual orientation

1. Overall, certainly less than 4%, probably around 2-3% M, 2% F are homosexual or bisexual
2. The best studies include
a. USA:
Bell/Weinberg 1970 – < 2% total M and F (ratings of siblings)
Cameron/Ross 1975-78 – 3.1% M, 3.9% F
FRI 1983 – 5.4% M, 3.6% F (4,340 respondents)
Trocki 1988-89 – 3% M, 2% F
NCHS 1988-91 – ² 3.5% M (over 50,000 respondents)
Catania/NABS 1992 – 2% M, 2% F (4% in urban areas; 10,600 respondents)
Billy/Battelle 1993 – ³ 1.1% M
b. Denmark
Schmidt 1987 – 0.6% M
c. Canada
MacDonald 1988 – 2% total M and F (> 5,500 college student respondents)
3. Median of studies listed above: 2% M, 2% F
Upper Quartile: 3.3% M, 3.7% F

wondering

02-10-2008, 07:57 PM

You missed the point. Thoses verses are from the New Testament.

Most of the hardline stuff about gays is from the Old Testament. Which is where the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is from. The point was the stuff in the Old Testament is hardline about a lot of silly things that most christians disregard. With pork and tattos being only two examples.

And you don't seem to get what Jesus did with the Old Testament. So allow me to explain. The purpose of Jesus' life and work was to fulfill both the Law (the books of Moses) and the Prophets (other Old Testament books). I'm not saying he destroyed the Old Testament. But that doesn't mean that Christians have to keep circumcision and all the other old laws. Jesus' ministry caused many changes in the law- changes so dramatic that laws were "set aside" or declared "obsolete" (Heb. 7:18; 8:13). Some laws remained the same, some were changed, and others were "abolished" (Eph. 2:15).
When Jesus said, "I have not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets," he meant that the purpose and message of the Law and the Prophets remain exactly the same. The Law and the Prophets pointed to him and were intended from the beginning to be fulfilled by him.
Some of the specific laws of the old covenant are still valid, but many of them were set aside when Jesus came and fulfilled them by his life, death and resurrection.
Old covenant laws (such as the laws of sacrifice) have been set aside precisely because Jesus has fulfilled them. He did not come for the purpose of destroying those laws, but for fulfilling their meaning. However, by fulfilling their meaning, he made it unnecessary for Christians to keep those laws. They are unnecessary because they have served their purpose by pointing to Jesus. He is the reality to which they could only point. Now that he has come, they are no longer legally binding.
Yet because they point to Jesus Christ and show how God interacted with a group of people at one time and place, the old covenant laws continue to give us insights into God's will. Even the laws of sacrifice are "useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" (2 Tim. 3:16).
Jesus also fulfilled various laws about ritual cleanliness. That did not mean that he never became unclean, because anyone with normal bodily functions would occasionally become unclean (Deut. 23:10). Jesus also touched dead people, lepers and other causes of uncleanness. It was not a sin to be unclean. However, Jesus fulfilled the purpose of the purity laws: He was morally and spiritually pure. He had internal holiness, set apart to do the work of God.
Jesus fulfilled the purpose of God's laws. He did not destroy the fact that people should obey God, even though his crucifixion brought a change in some of the details of how they obey God.
Jesus, as the Son of God, has more authority than Moses had (Heb. 3:1-6) or any other Prophets of the Old Testament for that matter. Jesus is the standard by which Moses is judged. Jesus could quote the law of Moses when it supported his point, and he could also criticize the law of Moses as not being strict enough. In some cases the law of Moses requires too much, and in other cases it does not require enough.
Jesus said: Moses said one thing, but I say another (Matt. 5:21-45). Jesus presented himself as the greater authority, the perfect authority, the basis on which people will be judged.
In Christianity, some of the laws of Moses are still valid, and others are not (for an example of each, the law about murder and the law about tassels). How do we know which is valid and which is obsolete? The New Testament is the authority by which the old covenant is to be understood.
Although the Old Testament is inspired Scripture and part of the Word of God, its purpose was to point to the coming and work of Jesus Christ. Therefore, when it comes to understanding what is required for Christian behavior, the Old Testament must be interpreted in light of what the New Testament says.
But hey, I say we just drop it and go back to the original topic.

Personally I don't really care if somebody is a homosexual or not. It's not like I'm going to burn everyone of them on a stake. It's their choice....

kami

02-10-2008, 08:49 PM

But hey, I say we just drop it and go back to the original topic.

Thank you. I would appreciate that.
Personally I don't really care if somebody is a homosexual or not. It's not like I'm going to burn everyone of them on a stake. It's their choice....

I don't think people choose to be homosexual. If you had a choice, would you be homosexual? I highly, highly doubt it. Nobody wants to be different in that sense, and have to cope with everyone else's disapproval of their actions. People can choose to hide their homosexuality, they can choose to deny it, but they can't just not be it.

Pirouette

02-10-2008, 09:31 PM

Is it wrong to be homosexual? Is it against God? Can people choose not to be homosexual? Are people born that way? Is it a crime against nature? Are any of the homosexual stereotypes true? Are there more homosexual males than females?

No, it's not wrong to be homosexual. The thing is, you can't choose whether or not you want to be homosexual. It just happens.
Personally, I don't think it's against God. God created humans and love each and every single one of us. At least that's what I think.
I don't think people can choose not to be homosexual. As mentioned in my first few sentences, it is who people are and part of people's identity.
Some people are born knowing they're homosexual and others not so.
It is definitely not a crime against nature. How could it be?
Stereotypes are stereotypes and most of them are not even close to being true.
Are there more homosexual males than females? <--That, I'm not too sure of.

SnifflingDarK

02-10-2008, 09:37 PM

kami

02-10-2008, 10:12 PM

Some people are born knowing they're homosexual and others not so.

That's another point I'd like to discuss if anyone's interested. ^^

How do people know their sexuality? How can they ever be sure? Do you have to have experience to know?

The questions go on and on... ^^

dingchavez

02-10-2008, 11:18 PM

And you don't seem to get what Jesus did with the Old Testament. So allow me to explain. The purpose of Jesus' life and work was to fulfill both the Law (the books of Moses) and the Prophets (other Old Testament books). I'm not saying he destroyed the Old Testament. But that doesn't mean that Christians have to keep circumcision and all the other old laws. Jesus' ministry caused many changes in the law- changes so dramatic that laws were "set aside" or declared "obsolete" (Heb. 7:18; 8:13). Some laws remained the same, some were changed, and others were "abolished" (Eph. 2:15).
When Jesus said, "I have not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets," he meant that the purpose and message of the Law and the Prophets remain exactly the same. The Law and the Prophets pointed to him and were intended from the beginning to be fulfilled by him.
Some of the specific laws of the old covenant are still valid, but many of them were set aside when Jesus came and fulfilled them by his life, death and resurrection.
Old covenant laws (such as the laws of sacrifice) have been set aside precisely because Jesus has fulfilled them. He did not come for the purpose of destroying those laws, but for fulfilling their meaning. However, by fulfilling their meaning, he made it unnecessary for Christians to keep those laws. They are unnecessary because they have served their purpose by pointing to Jesus. He is the reality to which they could only point. Now that he has come, they are no longer legally binding.
Yet because they point to Jesus Christ and show how God interacted with a group of people at one time and place, the old covenant laws continue to give us insights into God's will. Even the laws of sacrifice are "useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" (2 Tim. 3:16).
Jesus also fulfilled various laws about ritual cleanliness. That did not mean that he never became unclean, because anyone with normal bodily functions would occasionally become unclean (Deut. 23:10). Jesus also touched dead people, lepers and other causes of uncleanness. It was not a sin to be unclean. However, Jesus fulfilled the purpose of the purity laws: He was morally and spiritually pure. He had internal holiness, set apart to do the work of God.
Jesus fulfilled the purpose of God's laws. He did not destroy the fact that people should obey God, even though his crucifixion brought a change in some of the details of how they obey God.
Jesus, as the Son of God, has more authority than Moses had (Heb. 3:1-6) or any other Prophets of the Old Testament for that matter. Jesus is the standard by which Moses is judged. Jesus could quote the law of Moses when it supported his point, and he could also criticize the law of Moses as not being strict enough. In some cases the law of Moses requires too much, and in other cases it does not require enough.
Jesus said: Moses said one thing, but I say another (Matt. 5:21-45). Jesus presented himself as the greater authority, the perfect authority, the basis on which people will be judged.
In Christianity, some of the laws of Moses are still valid, and others are not (for an example of each, the law about murder and the law about tassels). How do we know which is valid and which is obsolete? The New Testament is the authority by which the old covenant is to be understood.
Although the Old Testament is inspired Scripture and part of the Word of God, its purpose was to point to the coming and work of Jesus Christ. Therefore, when it comes to understanding what is required for Christian behavior, the Old Testament must be interpreted in light of what the New Testament says.
But hey, I say we just drop it and go back to the original topic.

Personally I don't really care if somebody is a homosexual or not. It's not like I'm going to burn everyone of them on a stake. It's their choice....

By "explain" do you mean rip a wall-of-text off this website: http://www.wcg.org/lit/law/otl/otl10.htm ?

You don't seem to get that the New Testament is completely irrelevant in my observation. If anything your wall-of-text adds to what I was saying about Christians not following the old anti-gay laws. Did you even read it yourself?

This time maybe you can respone in your own words.

skullreken

02-10-2008, 11:56 PM

Now, sorry about pounding bible verse after bible verse on you, but I wouldn't have done that if it wasn't for the fact that you said if I ate pork and had a tattoo then I'd go to the hell, lol. Now, how did all of that even relate to this? lol, I was only trying to disprove a point used in this thread.
I'm not truing to be rude, Wondering but you have completely misunderstood what he was getting at
Christians use the old testament which is also the holy book for Judaism but they chose to ignore Jewish laws about eating Pork and getting tattoo's by denouncing them with reasoned moral arguments in the new testament so why should we pay attention to anti homosexual rules when we have chosen to ignore other much older rules? That are still written down in the bible

Sanouske

02-11-2008, 12:21 AM

My view on homosexuality is this, I will respect your way of life as long as you respect mine. I have no problems with gay people as long as they don't try to force their views onto me or go way overboard with their expressions.

wondering

02-11-2008, 02:14 AM

By "explain" do you mean rip a wall-of-text off this website: http://www.wcg.org/lit/law/otl/otl10.htm ?

You don't seem to get that the New Testament is completely irrelevant in my observation. If anything your wall-of-text adds to what I was saying about Christians not following the old anti-gay laws. Did you even read it yourself?

This time maybe you can respone in your own words.

lol, I've been caught red-handed. I'll admit I did rip that off......but I was trying for some ethos here. (Of course, it ended up as plagiarism. It would've been best just to cite my source. My apologies on that.....but only that)
Anyways, yes I did read it, and if you still don't get how to connect the dots then let me do that for you. What I(or at least what that site could support) was trying to prove was Christians still follow the laws about not being homosexual (Last time I checked). What Jesus did was get rid of the laws that were unnecessary because he fulfilled them(This is in that same website by the way). Did he fulfill the laws on homosexuality? I doubt it(at least I hope so because I don't see how he was even remotely connected to homosexuality when he was spreading his teachings), so it's pretty much safe to say that that law is still in place, and that's why Christians follow that (at least the knowledgeable ones). And yes, these are in my own words. (I did suggest we just drop it but hey, if you want to go on then let's go on, I'm enjoying this, lol)

sweet_indulgence

02-12-2008, 11:34 PM

:sob: i didn't read all the posts here cause, you guys posted so much XD! sorry! but i did read like the first page ;p

anyways, my older brother's gay and the one thing i hate the most is people who gay bash (i'm not calling anyone here gay bashers ;p! i'm just saying i hate it). i don't have anything against people who feel uncomfortable around them or anything like that, just gay bashing i think is the worst. gay people are still people and can be very good people to. and if they like the same sex then that shouldn't take away from their character in anyway.

but anyways, i really can't come to an opinion on the whole Christian x Gay stuff. i think about it a lot but i dunno. I think that if the whole "God accepts everyone" deal is true, then that should leave it at that. but i guess that doesn't make a person christian. anyways, like i said, i dunno. >.<"

and omg, stereotypes seems to always be true. XD. every gay guy i've met, the stereotypes are dead on, with little differences here and there. but i have never met one that wasn't hair and clothing crazy. which works quite well for me cause i just always borrow my brother's hair stuff! hahaha
and uh, not sure about the stereotypes being true for lesbians though, i don't know any XD, so i can't say XD.

Sephor

02-20-2008, 11:38 AM

I have no problem with gay pple, aslong as other dudes dont come on to me they can do what ever they want to aslong as it dont involve me.

igniz

02-21-2008, 12:29 PM

kami

02-22-2008, 07:52 PM

Since I started this thread and its sort of dying, I would like to propose a new question. What degree of comfort do you hold around gay people of both and either genders? As in, do you have no problem with them as long as they don't talk to you, are you willing to be friends with them...?

mercer_sensei

02-23-2008, 05:45 AM

Im willing to be friends with them, and I have no qualms about being around them, however, I am totally against PDA (public displays of affection) but Im against it for regular couples as well. I really have no problems with gay people until they begin to hit on me. Once, maybe if they dont know that I am straight, but the second time they have crossed the line and I will no longer stand them personally. Most gays understand this, but there is inevitably a couple that want what they want and it doesnt matter if that person doesnt want it or not. Its the same with guys and girls, when someone says no, they mean no. Back the fuck off. But Im totally cool with any gay person until they second time they hit on me, then for them its over. They lost their privilege of being my friend or even being in my presence.

I think Im pretty lenient, but maybe it just because thats how I think and I always consider myself right =X Would you consider me lenient or harsh??

kami

02-23-2008, 08:29 PM

I'd say you're pretty right. That sounds like very good criteria and a good stand on the subject. I also don't appreciate PDAs. I've never had a gay friend, but I would certainly be willing to have one. My school is just so conservative...

Dr. Narumi

02-23-2008, 08:51 PM

As long as they don't come on to me - I'M HAPPY!

skullreken

02-23-2008, 10:19 PM

i have gay friends and one of my friends is saving up to have a sex change
I have absolutely no problem with hanging out with gays I've even been to gay bars a few times

Anon-sama

02-24-2008, 12:44 AM

I don't care as long as they don't ask me out xD

crystalgazer

02-24-2008, 02:05 PM

Funny thing about how heterosexual people are afraid, they always say things like "I don't mind homesexuals but don't they dare come too close to me". As if they were afraid of catching "being gay" as some contagious disease ,or as if gay people were trying to invert them. Actually it's mostly all the contrary: there's a huge pressure on gay people to force them into "normality".

I've noticed that too, especially in this thread; all the "oh, I'm fine with gay people, so long as they don't come on to me/kiss in public/stay the hell away from me". I've been friends with a few gay people, and they've always seemed to be terrified of hitting on a heterosexual by mistake, and with good reason; lots of straight men act as if getting hit on by a gay guy is some sort of huge catastrophe. Meanwhile women are routinely hit on by half-drunk losers in bars, who can be pretty intimidating, but they don't put up as much of a fuss, and it's probably not seen as much of a big deal. It just seems really weird to me.

I consider myself to be really ok with gay people, both gay men and gay women, and I'm ok with public displays of affection from both gay and straight people, so long as it doesn't go overboard (I think we can all agree with what 'overboard' entails). If two people want to kiss each other in public, what's it hurting me? I'll just ignore it and get on with my day. I don't see any point in censoring the behaviour of others just so then I can feel more 'comfortable' or whatever.

skullreken

02-24-2008, 07:48 PM

As I said before I don't mind if they come onto me
It's if they pester me after I have explained that I'm not gay and not interested that annoys me

The_DOC

02-24-2008, 08:30 PM

Is it wrong to be homosexual?

Who is somebody to judge what's right and wrong?

Is it against God?

Yes. The Bible says that, "Thou shalt not lay with other men." if I'm not mistaken.

Can people choose not to be homosexual?

Sure. It's the same as choosing to be homosexual -- It's a choice.

Are people born that way?

No, I don't believe so. I doubt that before being born they'd have any prior knowledge of males and females, so they couldn't have made the decision to choose which one they want when born.

Is it a crime against nature?

Yes. Humanity is supposed to be male and female. The fact of the matter is, the purpose of sex is to reproduce. If males or females want to do it with the same sex, they just want the fun out of it but not doing what nature intended; reproducing.

Are any of the homosexual stereotypes true?

I don't really know which one you mean. There is like, alot of homosexual steriotypes.

Are there more homosexual males than females?

I believe more homosexual males. However, I like leeeeessssbiaaannnssss. ~ Dave Chappelle

kami

02-25-2008, 01:12 AM

Can people choose not to be homosexual?

Sure. It's the same as choosing to be homosexual -- It's a choice.

I'm sure I've already said this in this thread, but I don't believe this to be true. WHY WOULD SOMEONE EVER CHOOSE TO BE GAY???? Seriously. People like to be the same, they don't like to be pestered and discriminated against, they don't like to make life harder than it has to be. Tell me people, if you could chose to be gay or not (be you gay or not), would you?

I can tell you I wouldn't.

Anon-sama

02-25-2008, 01:22 AM

Is it wrong to be homosexual?

Who is somebody to judge what's right and wrong?
True

Is it against God?

Yes. The Bible says that, "Thou shalt not lay with other men." if I'm not mistaken.

you're probably mistaken with that quote :) It's true however that the church believes homosexuality to be wrong. But that was only one of the big religions. But I'm pretty sure it's the same with the other religions. If they're right or not, and if there's an god or not, is another matter.

Can people choose not to be homosexual?

Sure. It's the same as choosing to be homosexual -- It's a choice.

Partly true. But I think it's mostly without their control. I mean you can't just "decide" to be homosexual. Most people prefer the opposite sex above their own, and they can't really change that. Let's put like this: Pie or Cake? Some people will prefer pie and some will prefer cake. And they will have arguments why they do so. Trying to force them to prefer cake if they answer pie will most likely not succeed. A slightly ridicilous example maybe...to sum it up: We have our preferences and those can mostly not be changed by pure will
Are people born that way?

No, I don't believe so. I doubt that before being born they'd have any prior knowledge of males and females, so they couldn't have made the decision to choose which one they want when born.

I agree with you.

Is it a crime against nature?

Yes. Humanity is supposed to be male and female. The fact of the matter is, the purpose of sex is to reproduce. If males or females want to do it with the same sex, they just want the fun out of it but not doing what nature intended; reproducing.

I wouldn't call it a crime. It's a powerful word and should not be used lightly. But yes, it's against the idea how it's supposed to be.

Are any of the homosexual stereotypes true?

I don't really know which one you mean. There is like, alot of homosexual stereotypes.

Are there more homosexual males than females?

I believe more homosexual males. However, I like leeeeessssbiaaannnssss. ~ Dave Chappelle

xD I really don't know. Think it's about the same

The_DOC

02-25-2008, 02:25 AM

~Points And Rebuttles~

True

Well, your first point is that you agree with me. Why thank you.

you're probably mistaken with that quote :)

If you do not trust my word, then fine. The proof is here (http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:1uX2poh-byUJ:www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm+Thou+shall+not+lay+with+other+men+bib le&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us). ^_^

It's true however that the church believes homosexuality to be wrong. But that was only one of the big religions. But I'm pretty sure it's the same with the other religions. If they're right or not, and if there's an god or not, is another matter.

I wasn't disputing that. Seeing as my prior statement was based on a Bible quote, you should've been able to assume that I knew that already.

Partly true. But I think it's mostly without their control. I mean you can't just "decide" to be homosexual.

What's the difference between deciding to not be homosexual, to get married, etc.? If a guy sees that he likes men or vice-versa with woman, and then decides to have a sexual relationship or so with them, that's a full choice of theirs.

Most people prefer the opposite sex above their own, and they can't really change that. Let's put like this: Pie or Cake? Some people will prefer pie and some will prefer cake. And they will have arguments why they do so. Trying to force them to prefer cake if they answer pie will most likely not succeed. A slightly ridicilous example maybe...to sum it up: We have our preferences and those can mostly not be changed by pure will

Making food as an example over sexuality is really something here. However, it's really simple if you think about it. How would one make any righteous arguement over this if, most likely, they never tried the opposite side like cake? Same with sexuality. If they never tried to be gay and they're straight, how would they be able to judge what their preferances are? In the end, it's still a choice. If you've tried both sides and find out you're homosexual, then it's a choice in the end because you could choose to continue down that road as being a homosexual or you could try to get with a woman or man to become straight. If you became homosexual, you were making the decision to do so, even if you weren't forced to.

I agree with you

Thank you again.

I wouldn't call it a crime. It's a powerful word and should not be used lightly. But yes, it's against the idea how it's supposed to be.

I'll do the agreeing now. Yes, it's wrong against nature in which we both agree on, but crime is just too much of a word here. If it were a crime, then the rule that was broken has been broken many times already. So, let's just call it an abnormalty towards nature.

Yokurama

02-25-2008, 05:31 PM

Barzillal

02-25-2008, 09:21 PM

actually wondering is right there are alot of gay christians out there and there are even Catholic gay priests =p
homosexuality is not a supernatural possession of some demonic prescence that makes them not christian
homosexuality is a biological imbalance of sex hormones you can still be Christian even if you are gay unless the Pope or some religious sect leader excommunicate u

Yokurama

02-26-2008, 09:01 AM

Barzillal

02-26-2008, 04:46 PM

it is religiously speaking not allowed but gays are not outcasted in society as well as in the church, upholding ones masculinity despite the imbalance of hormones will have and as they can and is allowed to be called christians
and they are allowed to practice the faith
they were baptized when they were but babies and we cant tell if its a gay baby during the Baptizmal rite now couldnt we? and Baptism is the initiation to the faith

skullreken

02-26-2008, 06:27 PM

You cant be a Christian if your gay?
BS! the Church of England and the Anglican church in America have both ordained openly gay Bishops
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/3/newsid_3909000/3909559.stm
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A00E7D8143BF930A15755C0A9659C8B 63

the bible is not rock solid there were loads of gospels that the Catholic church cut out and buried
such as the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Judas which says Judas was instructed by Christ to betray him

Christianity is based off Judaism but you don't see Christians being circumcised refusing to eat pork or dairy mixed with meat, being condemned to hell for having tattooed or stoning women for losing their virginity before getting married for the first time.
It's a matter of them choosing what they wanted us to follow

as a Christian I view the bible as a guide to help me make the right choices in life. In his life time Jesus gave everyone the offer of following his message he spent his time amongst the outcasts of socioty (Matthew is the most famous example he was a tax collector for the Roman empire they were the most hated of all Roman officials) giving them hope
His core message is to think about how your action will effect others and to try to forgive and forget. If you ask me the persecution of gays by so called Christians is anything but Christian

I mean come on if you were a Catholic who married a Protestant or even stepped into a Protestant church you were told you had committed a mortal sin and would burn in hell up until the 70/80's Catholics are still told not use condoms while other Christian sects say there is no problem with using condoms

Barzillal

02-26-2008, 06:36 PM

it is not rock solid indeed, the bible as far as I can recall is distorted greatly used and exploited by the early church when the Church came to power....
and I cant see the reason why gays cant be called or accepted as christians...
im not against them but I would really be ticked off when they do indecent things....

kami

02-26-2008, 07:01 PM

~Points And Rebuttles~
Partly true. But I think it's mostly without their control. I mean you can't just "decide" to be homosexual.

What's the difference between deciding to not be homosexual, to get married, etc.? If a guy sees that he likes men or vice-versa with woman, and then decides to have a sexual relationship or so with them, that's a full choice of theirs.

I think you missed my point. People can choose to act or not to act on their homosexuality, then can't choose if they are. But I once read something that compared homosexuality to handedness. Being homosexual and having a heterosexual relationship is like being left handed and writing with your right hand. It's difficult, unpleasant, not very much fun, and unnatural.

cloudmaster88

02-26-2008, 11:40 PM

I think Homosexuality is wrong if people want to be gay, then just ship them to a deserted island so they can be flamingly gay as they want hate it when gay people do that fruity shit in public it's sickening, and don't get me started with gay marriage...I suggest they go do that on the deserted Island they have to get sent to....so all In all I'm totally against gay people and of the sort...freaking sickos!! LOL!!

kami

02-26-2008, 11:58 PM

Cloud, would you care to expand on the subject, or is your hate senseless and irrational? I really am curious as to why someone would hate gay people that much. What is your reasoning behind it? Please respond. ^_^

The_DOC

02-27-2008, 02:35 AM

~Points And Rebuttles To Kami~

I think you missed my point.

Yes, actually. Somehow, I didn't see your previous post. I apologise.

People can choose to act or not to act on their homosexuality,

So you basically agree with me.

then can't choose if they are.

I assume you meant, "They can't choose if they are. (Homosexual or not)" So yes, you agree with me again with my previous point of them not knowing, if they never tried it they wouldn't know, and such.

But I once read something that compared homosexuality to handedness. Being homosexual and having a heterosexual relationship is like being left handed and writing with your right hand. It's difficult, unpleasant, not very much fun, and unnatural.

That is true, but I never disagreed upon that point. As a matter of fact, I agree. However, as you previously said, they wouldn't openly want to announce that they're homosexual if they risk being discriminated against, just like they would want to write right handed if most of the people around him wrote right handed, and that he'd risk being different from the people.

~Points And Rebuttles To cloudmaster88~

I think Homosexuality is wrong

Reasonable. Your opinion, though it could've been made better with some explanations as to why you think they're wrong.

if people want to be gay, then just ship them to a deserted island so they can be flamingly gay as they want hate it when gay people do that fruity shit in public it's sickening, and don't get me started with gay marriage...

I also don't support gay marriage. I really don't support anything that is for gay people personally, but that's really too much. It's okay to support, not support, or just don't care, but that's a little egotystical and selfish way to look at it. Just because, I assume, you're straight and don't support gay things doesn't mean that you have a right to want to segregate them from normal society. They're not animals; they're humans, and they have as much right to society as a gay person as anyone else should.

.I suggest they go do that on the deserted Island they have to get sent to....so all In all I'm totally against gay people and of the sort...freaking sickos!! LOL!!

Actually, it would be really hard to find an island to house all th gay people in America, moreso the whole world's gay population. If you don't like what they do, then don't look.

igniz

02-27-2008, 09:55 AM

Well actually it would be better to ship intolerant people to the Moon, but there would not be enough space. And yes there was someone who did put the gay people in isolation: his name was Adolf Hitler, ring a bell?

The_DOC

02-27-2008, 08:23 PM

Barzillal

02-27-2008, 08:49 PM

well I have to agree with you there Hitler was not against gays but the entire sector of Jews

Yokurama

02-27-2008, 10:03 PM

well I have to agree with you there Hitler was not against gays but the entire sector of Jews
isnt there a big difference between gays and jews?? lol

skullreken

02-27-2008, 10:13 PM

Umm actually Hitler was against Gays as well as Jews gypsies Blacks and mentally retarded people
he had people killed for being gay. Gypsies and retarded people were sterilized so they couldn't reproduce and would die out
In Hitler's views the Jews were lower thats why they were sent to concentration camps

sweet_indulgence

02-27-2008, 11:58 PM

umm yeah ditto to skull. jews were the big thing about the holocaust, but that's just cause there were more of them than all the rest that were killed. i forget the numbers, but there was like some million gays, gypsies, black, cripled, and other people treated just as the jews were and killed. check out wikipedia ;p, it should be there. it's not fair to say just jews were the victims.

Barzillal

02-28-2008, 04:22 AM

=p anything that is nor normal to Nazi standards Hitler removes

going back to topic I have nothing against gays

whiteday26

02-28-2008, 05:02 AM

might be surprised at first, but I would have no problem befriending one.

cloudmaster88

02-28-2008, 05:11 AM

I'm against the gays, but I'm not racist or prejudice like those pieces of crap for human beings in the past (Hitler and the Nazis)....still I don't like homosexuals they are an embarrassment to society without a doubt

Barzillal

02-28-2008, 05:38 AM

might be surprised at first, but I would have no problem befriending one.
I have a cousin who is one lol

igniz

02-28-2008, 01:57 PM

~Points And Rebuttles~

Well actually it would be better to ship intolerant people to the Moon, but there would not be enough space.

This is rather hypocritical of you. I'm tolerant of people's lifestyles and all, and I'm also tolerant of the intolerants. You, however, are intolerant of the intolerant, which makes you a complete hypocrite. Next, I know that you weren't being serious and all, but it would take more money and effort to get a number of intolerants into space than it would to ship them to an island or something.

And yes there was someone who did put the gay people in isolation:

Nobody in this thread ever said that someone hasn't done so in the human race's history.

his name was Adolf Hitler, ring a bell?

Did you just mock me with that sarcastic question at the end? Oh please, Adolf Hitler rings a bell in me but it obviously didn't startle anything in your brain. Adolf Hitler, if I'm correct, was against the Jews; not the gay people. There's a big difference.

I was not aiming at you with my remarks, but since you're so full of yourself and arrogant I suggest you took an History book and you'll learn that gay were put in camps and were marked with the infamous pink triangle.
And spare me you tolerance act, when some people here openly claimed they were for gay bashing (guess it was moderated but I read it). And no, I'm not tolerant of the intolerant, there are laws against discrimination I'll remind you, so call me hypocrite if you wish.

kami

02-28-2008, 07:04 PM

In case you people don't believe Igniz, I'd like to second what he said. Not only were Jews thrown in concentration camps, so were gays, physically and mentally disabled people, and anyone who Hitler didn't like.

Barzillal

02-28-2008, 07:50 PM

yeah thats what I said people that are not normal according to Nazi standards

The_DOC

02-28-2008, 09:16 PM

~Points And Rebuttles To igniz's Rebuttle~

was not aiming at you with my remarks,

Seeing as my post was before yours, you asked a question, and the question was regarding someone who segregated gay people and part of my post before yours was talking about gay segregation, congratulations. You make no sense.

but since you're so full of yourself and arrogant

Looks like you're criticizing me, but yet you're being hypocritical again. You call me arrogant, but yet you were the one who wanted to ship the intolerable people to the moon. Boy, do you think that whatever you say doesn't apply to you?

I suggest you took an History book and you'll learn that gay were put in camps and were marked with the infamous pink triangle.

In my previous post, I did not say that gay people were never segregated before. I even said, "Nobody in this thread ever said that someone hasn't done so in the human race's history." I just said that Hitler was moreso against the Jews than the gay people. I also never said that Hitler made peace with the gay people -- I just based my statement off of the Jews had it far worse than the gay people, though, as some of the other people in this thread have said, the gay people weren't too far behind in having it as bad as the Jews. I'm just saying that Hitler was more known for killing the Jews than gay people. Don't start assuming and putting words into my mouth.

And spare me you tolerance act,

I suppose that you'd call this debate an act. I mean, tell me, what do you think is an act? Give me your definition of it because I wasn't acting when I ripped apart your flawed and hypocritical logic.

when some people here openly claimed they were for gay bashing (guess it was moderated but I read it).

I don't see why I should care about this. I didn't spare that cloud guy who was for segrating gays either with my wrath. So, you shouldn't feel so unlucky. I'll post whatever I believe is right in terms of logic and that I believe is right in my opinion.

And no, I'm not tolerant of the intolerant,

Contradiction. Try formulating your sentences correctly with no negatives if that's the problem. You said, "And no" which tells me that the next part of your sentence isn't true. Okay. Then you say that you're, "not tolerant of the intolerant." So, that wasn't true, and the opposite of that is that you are tolerant of the intolerant. If you didn't follow me on that, then 2 negatives (the no and the not) in your sentence make a positive. So, how are you tolerant of the intolerant, if you want to ship them to the moon?

there are laws against discrimination I'll remind you,

This is a little self-centered of you. I don't see the rules for discrimination on AnimeA, and even if there is one on AnimeA, then it isn't being upholded really well. So, next, you're obviously referring to a law in a country, but remember, the internet isn't just apart of the United States or the United Kingdom. The internet is international and no one country governs it. With that, there are no set laws that we have to follow in terms of what we say on the internet. With that, someone from a probable different country on the internation internet wouldn't have the right to say that something is against the law because every country has different laws in general. Even if there were, then you'd be reminding yourself that you're discriminating against the intolerants. Why are you telling me this, then?

so call me hypocrite if you wish.

Don't need to. Looks like I got the point across to you.

skullreken

02-28-2008, 10:47 PM

@iginz
to avoid confusion in future I suggest using quotation or address the person you wish to answer directly
It is easy to understand how Doc thought you were launching an unjustified attack on him because your post was in the form of a rebuttal with direct comments aimed at someone unspecified and was posted after his post
which would indicate that your comments were aimed directly at him

igniz

02-29-2008, 09:40 AM

I'm not going to argue forever with you Doc, I have said what I've to say. As I'm not a native English speaker maybe I've made some mistakes with formulation.
Basically you were getting on nerves because of a little irony aimed at cloudmaster who did not answer as agressivly as you did(why do you feel so concerned about my remark anyway?). So it shows how is it tiring for gay people to hear jokes about being shipped to an island or whatever (things that should not be joked about, because of some historical facts).

You sure know about hypocrisy as you wrote before "Adolf Hitler, if I'm correct, was against the Jews; not the gay people. There's a big difference" and now claim not to have said so.

That's all.

skullreken

02-29-2008, 05:02 PM

You sure know about hypocrisy as you wrote before "Adolf Hitler, if I'm correct, was against the Jews; not the gay people. There's a big difference" and now claim not to have said so.

Actually you are incorrect that was Barzillal who said that which as Doc pointed out it is an easy mistake to make as the Jews suffered most under his tyranny
please be more careful before making accusations.

and I'm gonna have to agree with Doc the whole thing about sending intolerant people to the moon is an act of intolerance in itself

If you two want to continue your argument argue about the topic at hand
I don't want to see any flaming!

Rules have been laid down at the top of the forum read them!

Nebuchadnezzar

02-29-2008, 05:15 PM

and it is an act of ignorance to send people over to the moon just because they are different, we as individuals have different traits and preferences; of each they ought to be respected.
homosexuality has some biological influences too, now it is not easy to contradict to bodily urges and so much more bodily responses as they the hormones are wholly responsible for our mood, thinking, perceptions, responses etc.

cloudmaster88

02-29-2008, 05:49 PM

Different you say, nah there more advanced than different their specially different, gay people creep me out who knows when they'll try to rape you or something....sure wouldn't want those kind depraved people in society..

vaunt

02-29-2008, 06:07 PM

Yes homosexuality is wrong but it is there choice isnt it cloudmaster88. They shouldnt be homosexuals but they want to be. We shouldnt go and
Decimate.

cloudmaster88

02-29-2008, 06:09 PM

It;s been proven that homosexuals, are genetically gay, meaning that their DNA has Mutated and that's what makes them gay, I might be wrong and i might be right...but I heard this some where..

vaunt

02-29-2008, 06:14 PM

Prove it I want hard prof of that. B/C they said there is no prof of there being a gene that makes you like the same sex.

Pls show me here you saw this for most likely you saw it on wiki, just for you to know if it is wiki i luagh at you.

The_DOC

02-29-2008, 07:09 PM

~Points And Rebuttles Towards igniz's Rebuttle To My Rebuttle To His Rebuttle~

I'm not going to argue forever with you Doc, I have said what I've to say.

Contradiction. Actually, 2 contradictions on your part. If you said that you wouldn't argue with me forever, why would you continue by replying to this? I certainly don't have a problem with arguing further because I enjoy controversial stuff like this, but you don't want it to last longer. This only shows that you're just wanting to get the last word in this debate, which you will not get. The other contradiction is that you've said all you had to say, and yet you made a whole 1 and a half paragraphs more about this argument.

As I'm not a native English speaker maybe I've made some mistakes with formulation.

I really don't care if you are or not. I don't mind no capitalization, no end punctuation, etc., but even in a non-native country, you should still know that saying a no and then a negative word like no again means a positive, meaning that you do mean it.

Basically you were getting on nerves

You should already know how strict I am about your sentences making sense, but yet you do not heed it. Who's nerves was I getting on? Is there a person called "nerves" that I got on? Skullreken already said to be more direct on who you're talking too. Looks like ignorant must be bliss.

because of a little irony aimed at cloudmaster who did not answer as agressivly as you did

Looks like you're again, denying that you're a hypocrite and want to dub it "irony" now. It's funny how you're a hypocrite again -- calling me aggressive while before you called me names too like arrogant. However, sure, I'll admit that I was aggressive at you but I'm always like this when I debate. What are you going to do about it?

(why do you feel so concerned about my remark anyway?).

Here you go again, putting words into my mouth and assuming. If you noticed, I did not say anything about your remark after I had only mentioned it once. You talked back to me and my statement, which is the basis for me ripping apart all your posts. So, yeah, I'll also say that I care about your remark, but if I discount this confession, you were only twisting my words around.

So it shows how is it tiring

I did not understand that part at all. I know you can't formulate your sentences correctly, but that's just incoherent.

for gay people to hear jokes about being shipped to an island or whatever (things that should not be joked about, because of some historical facts).

I'm not the great communicator or anything, but if you're saying why it's okay for people to make fun of gays but you can't make fun of the intolerant (The guys that make fun of gays), then it's because again, you'd be a hypocrite. You'd be no better than they are, seeing as you want to use their same method of segregation.

You sure know about hypocrisy as you wrote before

I'm sure captain obvious has some other things to say, seeing as I should know about hypocrisy -- I'm the one telling that you're one.

"Adolf Hitler, if I'm correct, was against the Jews; not the gay people. There's a big difference" and now claim not to have said so.

Do you have reading problems, or does your country not let you understand English very well? I recently said that Hitler was moreso against the Jews; not the gay people. I did not deny saying that. Infact, that's exactly what I said as in the quote that you gave.

That's all.

Heh, watch this guy come back and reply to this again. Really, in my professional opinion, just don't come to the debate section. Being a hypocrite, a person who contradicts himself, assumer, and someone who twists what people say around is just not something that would make a great debator.

cloudmaster88

02-29-2008, 07:11 PM

Also a lot of the army/navy/marine soldiers are gay, since they can't get none from women they go to men and become homosexuals, that's a real fact actually...

Charity22367

03-02-2008, 06:47 AM

um, well I find homosexuality kinda disgusting, but I tolerate it. I have a few homosexual friends, and I'm not going to judge people based on their sexual orientation

wondering

03-07-2008, 09:34 PM

This has been moving a lot, lol.
actually wondering is right there are alot of gay christians out there and there are even Catholic gay priests =p
homosexuality is not a supernatural possession of some demonic prescence that makes them not christian
homosexuality is a biological imbalance of sex hormones you can still be Christian even if you are gay unless the Pope or some religious sect leader excommunicate u
Uh...my apologies Bar, but I was quoting someone else. That's why they were originally in italics, lol. Personally I don't think it's possible to be gay and a Christian at the same time.

how can you be gay and Christian? its against the bible and what ever you do thats against the bible makes you not Christian and being gay is one of the things that is against the bible

Now hold on, I didn't say that. I was quoting somebody else on this post. That's why they were in italics.

Yokurama

03-08-2008, 12:40 AM

Also a lot of the army/navy/marine soldiers are gay, since they can't get none from women they go to men and become homosexuals, that's a real fact actually...
thats bull...... who told you that?

Thingle

03-09-2008, 05:41 AM

Claiming that homosexuality is contary to the so-called natural law, and thus should be considered sinful is akin to saying that eating only vegetables or meat is equally sinful, since this too violates natural law. I don't think anyone claims that the latter is, though.

The logic is sound, but the people receiving it aren't. It's either both are wrong, or neither. I'm think that both are simply lifestyle choices and there's nothing inherently immoral in both practices.

I hope the DOC is reading this. This pretty much destroys his claim in this post.
http://www.animea.net/forums/f98/homosexuality-16222/index4.html#post206785 (http://www.animea.net/forums/index4.html#post206785)

As for the homophobes, I don't intend to waste time arguing with them. Because unfortunately, closed minds don't come with closed mouths.

FlowerPrincess

03-19-2008, 09:07 PM

I have heard an interesting theory from an anthropologist about homosexuals. It says that Mother Nature is trying to stop us from having even more births. So, wherever there are many people, she "chooses" some certain people that will not have children and "contribute" in stopping the population from growing. It is a combination of both biological (since every generation is getting more and more womenish when it comes to genes) and sociological terms (just look at all the male role models around you and tell me what you think!). That's what I've heard. It might be true. It might not. To me, it's an interesting theory that explains a few things!

skullreken

03-19-2008, 09:51 PM

(since every generation is getting more and more womenish when it comes to genes) and sociological terms

what?
that makes no sence
a quick run through of genetics
women have two x chromosomes
men have an X and a Y chromosome

http://feline-nutrition.com/images/CatGenetics1.jpg

when the gametes (sperm and eggs) are produced each gamete will have one of it's producers chromosomes never both this means a level of genetic randomness is achieved in the fusion of the sperm and egg ensuring that the child is unique and that recessive genes are surpressed by stonger genes so the child will be as strong as possible

The Y chromosome dictates if a child will be male because it supresses all the genes for female physical traits so genetically a male or female can not be made manly or womanly their apearance can be made dictated tall and thin short and broad etc

Men acting effeminate and women acting tomboyish is to do with the enviroment they were brought up in and their own personal experiences

Syrex

03-19-2008, 11:31 PM

My dad is gay, so I have no problem with it.

Chieko

03-30-2008, 02:34 PM

I don't believe homosexuality to be against the Bible. I have done a lot of research on it and no where in the original texts does it say anything bad about it. (except in Leviticus... but that could also be seen as not being anti-gay.) TBH, it all depends on how you look at it. I don't believe any two people are going to believe all the same things... the Bible can be interpreted so many different ways. But, in my opinion, I don't see the Bible as having a negative view on homosexuality.

Here are so pretty good links on the subject:

http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/globalrights/sexorient/bible-gay.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_homosexuality

I am gay and just to clarify... I'm not trying to push my beleifs on anyone. People are entitled to their own opinions. I beleive respect to be the most important thing. You don't have agree with someone but you should always respect them. I've read most of this thread and have noticed that most people here at least have respect for individuals who are LGBT. Since I'm new here that was kind of a relief. Thanks, everyone. lol.

synfeticsoul

03-30-2008, 10:59 PM

i have a few gay friends, they are all awesome peolpe. i dont care bout things like that, takes a whole load of diffrent people to make the world. each to there own. i just think its its real sad and pathetic to discriminate other people for there beliefs. just do what makes you happy.

Linen

06-09-2008, 05:39 PM

Raikadu

06-09-2008, 07:18 PM

Can we get a mod in here to lock this thread?

animepr

06-10-2008, 09:00 PM

well i do like homosexuality but i do respect them because they r ppl to but the fact is for me is disgusting i have my toughs about wht happen to sodom and gomorra, and somethimes older homo try to push on not adult koids to try that and i hate those things and i heard and see inreports channels those things, and for my tough ppl are not born homosexual because if u say u where born like that ur saying that God did a mistake(if u dont believe in God that another thing) but i do belive and he will not make a mistake creating women or mens, most of homo are born in a circustance where he is spending more time with he's mother and watching wht he's mother likes and playing with other girls. the mens factor where missing in the childhood creating a confusion because he likes to be around girls and do things girls do but he's a man and meeting other ppl that are homo is like giving more curiosity to that side so if u figure that out u know that something is not right he's mind was lost cuz the father factor of making him do some mecanics painting letting the kid try to put he's dad shoes he's dad shirt. God dont make mistakes for me even if u all around girls ur family gives u wht u need to go in the right direction, that is my opinion and i'm straigh and i love women

animepr

06-10-2008, 09:10 PM

u must read the Bible to see it for urself like some1 said the bible can be interpreted but if u do a research read the whole story dont go in some lines only most of the research skip something because it will be troublesome for them and the Bible says that homo sexuality is against God, actually look in Genesis it it says that God "create a Man and a Women" it doesnt said he also creat another man so Adan and that other man love each other if u look up that u will that is against and also said who was behind of corrupting the mans mind

kami

06-10-2008, 09:18 PM

Can we get a mod in here to lock this thread?

Agreed. This is no longer a debate, just somewhere where people flame each other an act homophobic and have no discussion whatsoever. Thanks.

Linen

06-10-2008, 09:38 PM

I didn't mean to offend anyone, sorry. I was just trying to state a reason.

Ren-kun

06-10-2008, 09:50 PM

Ah, unfortunatly I do not believe n god...
But I don't hate homosexuals. There is not anything wrong with thier beliefs.

animepr

06-11-2008, 02:46 AM

also sorry if i also sounded like firing to each other we just put our tough that i was suppose to see here but if i looked like that sorry was not my intention

night_vision

06-11-2008, 02:59 AM

I do not mind homosexuals, and I got nothing against them.
However, if they like any other man or woman "sexually exploiting" others I say its a crime against humanity =)

blackberrydream

06-19-2008, 12:21 AM

There are humans, then there are gays.
See, if you look at it his way, if everyone turned gay, then how the heck are we suppose to continue on as humans, if there is no reproduction?
And that is where i made this physiology.
I mean thats kind of creepy, guys liking guys, i don't want to end up sleeping in my bed, and the next day i'll be having a d*** up my a**.

You're entitled to your own opinion of course but I'd like to ask where that leaves bisexuals? Are they some kind of half-human/half-gay? Or do you just ignore their exsistance?

I don't believe that there is anything in the bible against gays but then again, I don't believe in god so I guess it doesn't matter. I am in fact bisexual but I can see both sides of the argument since I used to think homosexuality was disgusting. I don't think being gay is in genetics since no one in my family is gay but me and I don't think it has anything to do with the way you're raised since my parents are homophobic (hence so was I growing up). It wasn't until I realized that there was another way to look at things than what my parents told me that I figured out that I was equally (if not more) attracted to girls as I was guys.

Sanouske

06-19-2008, 02:31 AM

Anon-tan

06-20-2008, 11:09 PM

I dont mind homosexuals. My uncle and my grandfather are homosexuals. All homophobics are discusting.

absolute_terror

06-21-2008, 07:48 AM

as long as they don't do any harm to humanity, it's fine, i will never judge them for who they are or what they are...but read the bible if you're a believer...why did God burn Sodom and Gomora? it's beacuse of their sinfull acts to the point they want to "DO IT" with the messenger from God (ooopps sorry it's not my intention to preach) but i'm not a saint so for me if being a homo makes a person happy, so be it...

TenshuTanuki~

06-24-2008, 01:14 AM

Homosexuals are normal people. They are just attracted to the same gender. Doesn't bother me.

doctor001

06-26-2008, 11:06 AM

say what all you want people ..... but it really freaks me out .......

homosexuality is a total nuisence ...... i mean how can a man ever even kiss a man ......... eeeeaaaaaaaakkkkkkk

i gotta have some water .........

bonvnguyen

06-27-2008, 03:05 AM

To me Homosexuality isn't normal as well as hearing the term itself really freaks me out...

I just can't imagine 2 of the same sex to be in love with each other but ive heard many issues about homosexuality being very disturbing and wrong in society.

In religious terms, Homosexuality is an offense in regards to when the same sexes get married as well as its awful to hear how homosexual couples would produce newborn babies/kids which is definitely impossible.

lazy.muffin

07-24-2008, 10:54 AM

beying gay or not doesn`t depend on the religion.i`m the tipe of person that has to see something to say afterwards to others that it`s true.it`s not like i don`t believe in got but not like i believe in him either,not interesetd in religion.and my opinion is that if he created us all,that he allso created gay people.
you were asking if people can choose to be or not to be homosexuals...well can you choose who you fall in love with?it`s the same thing.
so adding the fact that i`m a bisexual i have nothing with them,and i wouldn`t have something with them even if i was straight

Jinzu

08-04-2008, 07:52 PM

Hmm. I'm not going to join in immeadiately. This is kind of a complicated subject. I'll watch the thread though..
The only thing I'll say for now. Homosexuality isn't a basic instinct.
It's a very complicated thing. If you'd say humans exist to reproduce, then homosexuals wouldn't be humans (as I read above).
But then again, it's pretty funny to see this kind of nature.
I mean, we love chicks, why do we love chicks by nature?
To reproduce! To mate! To exist!
So if we stop loving chicks that way, and start loving ones that cannot help us reproduce that way. We can conclude two things.
1: Homosexuals are suicidal. (In a "long period/human race" kind of way)
2: Homosexuals arent human, they're posthuman. Which is, in my eyes, kind of a respectable thing.
Something to ponder about.

ShiningTear

08-06-2008, 09:12 PM

I respect the Homosexuality and i hate ppl who say that they arent human or whatever..

From what ive heard,from a very clever comrade of mine, is that youre born with homosexuality..

A very famous Doctor ( forgot his name) said that human are born and are automatically Bisexual, only with extern influences ppl become Homo or Hetero.

So judging by the first statement, homosexual ppl aren't responsible for their sexual orientation, which means the catholic church are most likely NOT against homosexuality. Im catholic and I don't know my sexual orientation yet ( i feel attracted with females but sometimes even males).

The only thing that bugs me is the AIDSfactor with homosexual people.. its a very serious matter that homosexual men spread out AIDS more likely. Well yes, only if they have sexual contact.

And I personally think that most ppl only think homosexuality is disgusting because they aren't used to it. I can understand ppl who say its disgusting but you have to accept it. Stones and sticks.

Jinzu

08-06-2008, 09:27 PM

"I respect the Homosexuality and i hate ppl who say that they arent human or whatever.."

Well, I personally think you should define human, if you homosexuals arent. Do you think embyos are human?

ShiningTear

08-07-2008, 01:53 PM

Embryos? Nice question.

If I look on it from a biological perspective, they aren't human. Pollywogs aren't frogs but they grow up and become frogs right?

But my personal feelings for this question is that embroys are indeed human. Hmm but they aren't normal human, they would be post-human. Because of the shape, the inner shape and the outer shape.

Oh and you kinda misunderstood me.
"
Well, I personally think you should define human, if you homosexuals arent. Do you think embyos are human?"

my logic tells me that i have to fill a "think" between you and homosexuals. But that isnt my point of view. i think that homosexual is a group of human.

absolute_terror

08-14-2008, 02:36 AM

draringi

08-14-2008, 05:51 AM

I'm against homosexuality, simply as it is a negative drawback on the growth of population, sexual reproduction is between a female and a male. that said, I have nothing against those that are homosexual, i just see homosexuality as something that is a drawback. if you understand what I mean.

Jinzu

08-14-2008, 09:33 AM

well when a wife gets pregnant, they go to a hospital for ultrasound check, they only want to know if it's a boy or a girl (homosexual not an option).. after delivery the doctor say it's a boy or it's a girl (it's a homo not included)..homosexual people are humans that needs equal respect but on my dictionary they don't exist...sometimes homo/gay movement don't just ask for their so called equal rights, it's already given to begin with, a right that includes us, male and female, it's all because of their actions that sometimes most people neglect them, instead of asking for their (duh!) gay rights, why not encourage other people of their kind to be more respectable, being involved in disgusting acts doesn't add to what they fight for, and don't tell me getting laid by the same sex isn't disgusting, well anyway i guess this tread is done...

Okay, when I read this I seriously laughed.
What the hell do pregnancy tests have to do with homo's?
xD You totally missed my point.
It's just that people in this topic have been hinting that homo's aren't people, or homo's are. To say that, you have to define "human".
Other than that, with one small conclusion like that the thread can't possibly be done. Stating some over-censored, political correct thing isn't resolving anything. Anyone could do that.
My point being, it isn't that simple.
See, I think about 80% of everyone would give an argument out on political correctness, their views on sexuality, and how "the post makes them look". What they don't do, though, is look at if political correctness IS the thing to handle such a topic with. Respect is a given, being a slimeball isn't. The second thing is not stating their views on sexuality, but actually thinking about WHY they think so. (Heh, nice sentence.)
That's why I try to push people to say why they think homo's aren't human.
To say that, you should define humans, define homo's, then give an argument why the differences between so called "normal people" and "homosexuals" should say that homo's aren't human.
By the way, I do think homosexuals are "human", but don't expect me to go all the way through the topic defending them. I tend to like discussions.

Ockedy

08-14-2008, 11:21 AM

I dont realy like homo's, cause I did have a gay girl try to flirt with me and try to hug me and follow me around and never stop talking. She didint respect my space so that pissed me off, I kept telling her that Im not intrested but she wouldint listen, so I slaped her. And thats one of many reasons why I dont like gays. But not all homosexuals are like that so I dont hate them all.

Can people choose not to be homosexual?

I dont think thay can , cause its like a stright girl/boy trying to like another stright girl/boy.

Are people born that way?

Some of them are, I'm not to sure how it goes but I think its like this. A women always has a O cell and a Man is soppose to have a X cell, that will make a non-gay child. But if a woman and a man both have a O cell then the child is definitely homosexual. It's like a boy trapped in a girls body. I dont reserch this sort of stuff or anything like that just to let you know, my health teacher taught me this.

Sakura-Nakamaru

08-14-2008, 12:16 PM

Lets just say i don't really like homosexuals, because it's wrong and is says in the Bible [although i'm atheist] "Thou who lays with another man shall be taken out and stoned (to death)]
I think it's immoral, but it doesn't make me disrespect any one because they have different prefences.

bonvnguyen

08-14-2008, 12:44 PM

Jinzu

08-15-2008, 08:30 AM

Homosexuality is wrong in all ways in which I believe. Homosexuality has been abusive in terms of religion seeing as I heard god only acknowledges a man and a women to become married or be together as a couple as well as how does a man to man couple plan to have children lol. :)
So wait.. what you're saying is. You don't like homosexuals, because "god" "doesn't like" homosexuals?
So if god would like rapists, you would too?
AND, not every married couple get children. Ever thought about that?
Is that a sin too?
What about the 6.684 billion people living, polluting, feeding off and destroying earth at this very moment? Who says gays aren't what we actually need?
And what about the thousands of abondoned children, children without parents?
If a male couple would want children, they can just adopt them, for the better.

TheGoldenGir

08-15-2008, 11:44 AM

I agree with ya Jinzu.... my reputation will no doubt get the better of me here but meh lol. not so pick a side because yeah I'm a lesbian and such but I can understand where those who are straight are coming from;being taught only one thing and having certain ideas or beliefs either forced upon you or by media influence; we each like who we like and imo to hell with what anyone else thinks if your happy you shouldn't let people's opinions delude your life...

Koyuki_Hazehana

08-27-2008, 02:12 PM

You see, I have no problem with homosexuality. If your aunt was a lez who you love any less? If your mom was a lez who love her any less? It doesnt matter what god say about this! Its what you believe in! You should juge a book by its cover. I have an aunt who is a lez and you i love for who she is not because she a lez or different then everyone else. I love her for who she is on the inside.
If you have a problem with lez and gays you should be posting this stuff. Because if they see it they feel hated and stupid and like they should have even been born. Which true. They have a right to walk on this earth as much as all of us do.

Your worried about lez and gays when everyone on this earth is doing to destory it. You should be worried about the earth not the people or how they act or what label people put on them. You should be worried about all the kids and adult be killed or being aduse. Not the Lezs and Gays!

yom_88

08-27-2008, 04:30 PM

I was raised as homosexuality was something opposing the nature of how things should be. man & woman .. life goes on.everyone is born that way
*i am relieved to that really*
/of course having children or not is another matter/

though it never actually crossed my mind to hate some ppl for being what they are or doing what they want, its their life after all they can choose whatever they want to be.

so i don't like judging anyone or at least try not to
& not taking the book by its cover is better.

but to me it is still kinda odd even after i became more open and seen things never actually heard of before.

personally, NO hatred or hard feelings as long as nothing offensive happens
even if i don't agree with their preferences.

Koyuki_Hazehana

08-27-2008, 04:48 PM

yeah i guess i agree you yom. but. still it doesnt matter if you where raised that way or not. They still are human beings and should be treated like them. Not like dogs or people who are lower than the rest. This world now has been fucked up and people are now acting as if these things never happened. My own grandfather is still raceist. Am I proud of it? NO.
Do i still love him? Yes.
i mean it doesnt matter. people just need to get over it and live their lives.

yom_88

08-27-2008, 09:11 PM

i tend to analyze everything apart of how i been raised
even so after thinking about the concept of homosexuality it really doesn't
fit in my mind
& personally i am not comfortable with it
but again IT IS their own life and choice

and i agree with you they shouldn't be treated less than any human not that anyone should be.

it like running down in circles i think, hating others for being different
no one will ever change *both ways* until they are ready to do so

and so as you said
*it doesnt matter. people just need to get over it and live their lives.*

so every one should do it their way.......

adamski

08-27-2008, 11:38 PM

First off let me just say that I find it disgusting that cloudmaster88's existence was acknowledged in this thread.

i consider myself to be a open and good person,and to have a neutral or positive view on most things BUT I HATE FAGS! ... that's not natural!
I DO LOVE GAY-BASHING! ... sorry if this offends any1,but i don't care.

There's nothing to debate here except which has the better IQ, you or a squashed Melon.

Is it against God?

Yes. The Bible says that, "Thou shalt not lay with other men." if I'm not mistaken.

Is it a crime against nature?

Yes. Humanity is supposed to be male and female. The fact of the matter is, the purpose of sex is to reproduce. If males or females want to do it with the same sex, they just want the fun out of it but not doing what nature intended; reproducing.

1st bolded question - Well, I'm not a religious person. But I can see why religious people would be against it. I don't like threads going down religious routes, because people no longer voice their opinions. They just barrage eachother with lines of text from a badly translated ancient book. But yes, I guess it's against "God". Anyway..

2nd bolded question - "The fact of the matter is, the purpose of sex is to reproduce. If males or females want to do it with the same sex, they just want the fun out of it but not doing what nature intended; reproducing."

Hold on, I could of sworn that straight people use contraception and have sex for fun. Hm, guess not!

Not doing what nature intended? You do realise that homosexuality is seen throughout the animal kingdom? Also, if any homosexual person wanted a child, what's stopping them? Just because they are homosexual doesn't mean that their body suddenly stops making the sperm/eggs necessary for reproduction, they just don't find the opposite gender sexually attractive.

Locke

08-28-2008, 08:25 PM

Homosexuals are people.

We are no longer allowed to judge people on their skin colour, so what right do you have to judge a person on what happens in their bedroom? It hardly defines a person.

hakimi001

09-06-2008, 01:41 AM

Actually to me, this something Homosexuality is not good in value of nature humanity...i really don't like who anybody do homosexual. Like say some friends that attitude against nature, to me homosexual is a shit, sorry for that, i'm not saying i'm good or angel, i'm just regular person, but this is my principle of life...to me if that person live in homosexuality them really don't know about God who create them. Even their have religion to see god...

i really don't like person in homosexuality (gay or lesbian)...my life i use to see god until i has died...that the special one i want to do just want respect rule of nature what god create to me not as homosexuality life...i really love my god...sorry if i saying this...

all of human in homosexuality can choose part of their life if the want to be gay or lesbian..even we threaten them with kill them, if them still want to be gay or lesbian...that effort just nothing cause that, what them choose in part of their life...i hope all friend in this forum who gay or lesbian can see the truth what their has do wrong or not..

God create man and women who normal and life together (adam and eve)...not as man and man or women and women life together. simply if we look in electrical mod symbol charge(-) + (-) or (+) + (+) = wrong, different part (-) + (+)= this not wrong and true nature who god want that rule keep on going until the earth collapse.

i can feel god was sad, when look that person do and enjoying life in gay or lesbian.

Sorry for what i'm saying Gay or Lesbian is are shit in front of god...

rasg

09-06-2008, 06:27 AM

To be honest, i find homosexuality as somewhat a mental illness--you know, like phobias. I mean, everything in nature are in pairs, so ... it's just so not natural!

However, gays and lesbians are still people, and we shouldn't treat them any less.

bugsbunny

09-06-2008, 07:39 AM

my religion is against this but im no judge myself....i wouldnt become homosexual myself but if someone has made that choice then thats their choice.

hakimi001

09-06-2008, 07:51 AM

Yes gay and lesbian are people, my self also people, also doing the wrong for some time, as you know no body is perfect...but i against the people gay or lesbian life...because that not the nature life must going even that has been happen...we born in the same part from man and women who life together not the man and man or women and women couple...

to me life style gay or lesbian was exist cause their have wrong in mind set. life not all time enjoying when in Gay or Lesbian cause some time we will sad, happy, angry, and so on... Gay or Lesbian life are strongly wrong life even their got most happiness in that life sorry for say this word...

i do not good guy...i do not are perfect guy..but i strongly against Gay and Lesbian life style...sorry for this words.

i Choose part to love God and take all my day in the world to be a servant of God and make my life enjoying when see or praying to God until i has died...
I'm proud to be regularly human not as human in are Gay or Lesbian life style..

Gay or lesbian society to me don't know about their self clearly include God who create them.I hope all friends here who Gay or Lesbian can thinking anymore bout what their has do enjoying their life as Gay or Lesbian. Cause this, life was make our society not stabilization.

Try to change our life to very lovely to our God (if all friends trust to God) and leave it Gay or lesbian...

bonvnguyen

09-14-2008, 04:59 AM

Well, I believe homosexuality is wrong in everyday life and society and I don't see it being normal for a couple of the same sex to even become more then friends. its pretty much a discrimination against most religion and god himself but i have heard rumors that in canada, gay marriage is ok but im not 100% sure about that myself.

Deekle

09-14-2008, 05:02 AM

Eh, I think Love is Love. I will treat a Homosexual couple like everyone else, but most couples tend to be iggnorent when you speak to them. I could pull up some examples but eh , too lazy.

bonvnguyen

09-14-2008, 05:11 AM

Yeah but still, its just not normal for there to be couples being together in the same sex group becoming a gay couple. A call of action upon this issue should be good to hear upon.

Deekle

09-14-2008, 05:16 AM

Yeah I understand, The Homosapien was built for straight couples(Ability to reproduce). But in America some states have gay marriage legalized , I do not know the standing on national laws.

bonvnguyen

09-14-2008, 12:08 PM

wow, really? homosxuality to become legalised in america? thats horrible imo but looks like nothing much can be done upon the issue then. perhaps more teachings upon the fact that homosexuality is not normal will be needed in order to call upon change in terms of correct relationships and sexual life.

Ive also heard that homosexuality is legal in Canada but not so sure if that is true or not.

Anon-sama

09-14-2008, 02:00 PM

@deekle7: I'm pretty sure this issue(homosexual marrige) is decided on state-level. Some states allow it, and some don't. But being homosexual is allowed in the States, and in the majority of the rest of the world.

@bonvnguyen:

"perhaps more teachings upon the fact that homosexuality is not normal will be needed in order to call upon change in terms of correct relationships and sexual life."

I'm confident when I say that homosexual people are aware that it's not "normal". Male and females are supposed to become couples, so that we can reproduce. You seem to think that homosexuality could be "banned" if we teach everyone what's right and wrong, and maybe even make laws against it. And you are so wrong. You seem to ignore the simple fact that people can't control what they feel. They don't chose to become homosexual. It's something they just realise. It's impossible to control that through laws and teachings. It would even violate the human rights(not sure yet. Too lazy to find out).
Homosexuality is btw not limited to the human race. You can find it among cats, dogs, monkeys...you name it.

Deekle

09-15-2008, 02:09 AM

A quote from Chuck and larry"some Sea lions males mate with eachother since they confuse their mating calls sometimes. "

khaosmonk

09-15-2008, 08:34 PM

Ehh, its fine for gay people to be together, I mean they can do what they want, but I dont like calling gay people getting married 'marriage' (should be between man and woman. They should invent a new term for it or sumthing.

Deekle

09-17-2008, 03:12 AM

I remembered some just saying they were "Partners for life" Instead of husband /husband or wife/wife.

bonvnguyen

09-17-2008, 05:54 AM

@Galgalid So pretty much its based on a person's decision as to whether they choose to become gay or not. still, its quite bizarre as to why people to choose to live as a homosexual and it is offensive in regards to religion and God himself.

Its just shocking really, to see couples of the same sex getting into a romantic relationship even though there is no stopping people from making the decision to become homosexual. Even though we may not be able to stop people from becoming homosexual, but through the teachings of correct relations and sexual life, it does affect the person's choices of those who come up a decision as to whether they want to be gay or not as well as lowering the chances of them making a decision that they want to live a gay life.

However even through these teachings, we cannot prevent everyone from deciding to become homosexual but rather just to help people rethink their decisions upon what their sexual health and lifestyle suits them best, and that also to applies to how they want to go with their relationships.

True we cannot force others by telling them not to become homosexual as well as it all depends on their decisions. I was pretty much wrong in the last post then.

nit3mar3

09-17-2008, 11:14 AM

i hope you are well aware that homosexuality is nothing unnatural? there are plenty of examples of homosexuality in the animal world. bonobos for example are promiscious and have fun with each other. homosexuality has been recorded in mankind since the olden times. a special military unit in ancient greece, for example, consisted of gay couples. why should we stop people from their own preferences, they don´t hurt others after all. don´t make it sound like they are unnatural or something.

Sakura-Nakamaru

09-17-2008, 11:39 AM

But it is unnatural. If you recall in the bible, it is about a quote that says "Thou Man who lays side by another man, shall be taken out and stoned."
Like many people before me, it explains about how the human race was designed for two different sexes to mate and continue on.

nit3mar3

09-17-2008, 11:46 AM

biologically and evolutionary, the only need for males was to get some variety into the genetic pool. life would have developed without males, only with females, if it wasn´t a disadvantage to have so little variety. the gender of a human fetus is in fact being determined rather late in the process, that´s why men have nipples, as well. and sometimes, the decision between male and female isn´t made due to a malfunction, and hermaphrodites are born. biologically speaking, men are unnecessary to mate.

Samantha_Mary

09-17-2008, 12:51 PM

Is it wrong to be homosexual? it definitely isn't. a lot of my friends r homos, my best 2 male friend's are in a relationship since 2006.

Is it against God? if U think it is against, than it would be. i'm not christian. i can't say anything to this.

Can people choose not to be homosexual? i think they can't. or can u choose to be? if u like girl, u like girls. if u like boys, u like boys. and if u like both, than u like both. i can't see andy problems there.

Are people born that way? yeah i think they are.

Is it a crime against nature? r u kidding O_o

Are any of the homosexual stereotypes true? Are there more homosexual males than females? i think these "stereotypes" doesn't exist. few of them r trying to be cuz its funny or whatever to be outed as homo, irdk, but i think there aren't typical sights to say "hey. this person is homosexual" and i think there aren't that much more males than females, but i think in our "worldsystem" homosexual relationships with men are more " understandable "cuz lot of womans are shy with this theme. they just not outet, i think. i know about 10gays but just 2 lesbians who are outed. and i know 2 girls who don't want to our themselves cause they think smbody wouldn't understand than, their family and so on.

if u urself r against homos, it's ok. but don't discriminate them or something for smth they can't do anything against. or r u bullied cuz ur heterosexual`? i don't think so.

hakimi001

09-17-2008, 03:16 PM

SVNightFall

09-17-2008, 04:19 PM

it's completely wrong the world exist with homosexuality...homosexuality is against nature, cause that not the rule human suppose to be. homosexuality is strongly delinquent in our society. many human got life styles in homosexuality don't know about their self, so their want do anything what their want to do even homosexuality is wrong part in their life...

Gay or lesbian has choose this life, to me their is not have a religion , cause that religion can't teaching them what suppose to be follow in our life.

if all friends have religion, that means you all friends have god...so leave it gay or lesbian be slave to our god. make our life remind to our god.

leave it this disgusting life gay or lesbian life styles, cause their is the apprentice make not stabilization in our society.

Well for it to be "against" nature is not true there is a wide number of animal species that are "gay"

Some people get confused with the law of the U.S.A it is complelty legal to BE homosexual inn the U.S.A but what the law is agruuing is should these couples be allowed to marry and have the same benefits as str8 marriages. Some states allow it some don't and it is still a on going disagreement on it if it should even be up to the states or should there be a nation law on it.
My view if u throw away religion that theres nothing wrong with it, but years through out years I believe it was always "do u take this man as your husband, and do you take this woman as your wife". So as long as those terms in every ceremony is altered or something i do not think they should get benefits from their marriage. Basically you need to change the whole tradition of "marriage".

Thats just my view on it all though o.o

nit3mar3

09-17-2008, 05:11 PM

hakimi, you´re wrong. it´s only society that made homosexuality outcast. it´s nothing unnatural at all.

Samantha_Mary

09-17-2008, 05:19 PM

hakimi, you´re wrong. it´s only society that made homosexuality outcast. it´s nothing unnatural at all.

that's what i wanted to add, too.
nit3mar3's right. it isn't unnatural

Deekle

09-17-2008, 10:10 PM

The only thing what pisses me off, is when they get arrogant. I don't like it if I see two lesbians in my school and when they look at boys they say "ew" It really has gotten some people down. I've talked to some who thought they were a superior race.

If I can accept them and not discriminate then I don't want them insulting my friends or me.

Anon-sama

09-17-2008, 11:15 PM

Are girls less homophobic than men? At least that's what I think. It would be very interesting to show a picture featuring two men kissing, and then another of two girls kissing, first to a group of men, and then interview them and have them describe which one they got most offended by. Then we would show the same picture to a group of woman, and then interview them as well.
I'm pretty sure that the result would reveal that men are more homophobic than woman.
I'm quite sure alot of the men would find the picture featuring two men as disgusting, but what would the result be with the picture showing two girls? I think that quite a few wouldn't have anything against it being shown it.

And how would the result be within the female group? I'm quite sure(although I can't proof it) that a lesser part of the group would be offended if we compared them to the male group. I also believe that the number of females who were offended by the picture of the men, would be slightly larger to the ones who was offended by the picture of the girls.

hakimi001

09-17-2008, 11:48 PM

No human are different with animal, rule of human life not same with the animal, human can think great different with animal, human was create by god have their a own life different with animal, i say it against nature is that attitude gay and lesbian was more do it strongly deviant life in society. Man and women suppose to a couple and married. No problem with man and man or women and women together but as friend not more than that.

If man and man (gay) or women and women (lesbian) their do more than that, that means they want to married each other and life together, this is was completely WRONG, this attitude was completely against nature...this is just animal do it, and not SUPPOSE HAPPEN IN HUMAN LIFE...human life are the top not the down life same with animal, that why human have religion guidance their party what must do it in life and not do anything the wrong in life...different with animal they just do what they want to do cause their thinking skill is limited and not have religion what suppose guidance animal life.

SVNightFall

you confused in you country USA this Gay and Lesbian was are legal and not wrong according to law, to me --- SVnightFall---,

firstly in USA not the whole state allow that law say bout life Gay and Lesbian is legal. that mean some state still not agree with that situation life between Gay and Lesbian. It i because that society in that state have belief strong in religion, because life in religion what must suppose to be not the life out side guidance from religion suppose to be.

gay or lesbian was life against nature cause this homosexuality against good value attitude in our religion.

and --- SVNightFall ---

why this gay and lesbian life in your country is legal, because the LEADERS in your country have are power. Their as agent society to manage the country, so if they didn't have guidance GOOD VALUE from our religion this LEGAL GAY and LESBIAN will be happen in your country. You leaders have power to make the law and anything the law their want include this LEGAL GAY AND LESBIAN. i don't know why their (leaders) can accept that GAY and LESBIAN life, cause logically this GAY or LESBIAN is not the NORMAL LIFE.

Gay and Lesbian life have many thing make this happen, firstly that own person want that happen to their own life,

second their want to do something different in their life change the normal life and make Gay or Lesbian life happen in our society even this wrong in the rule of our religion.

third the GAY and LESBIAN want to enjoying their life greatly and not follow what normal life must to do.

To all friends, nit3mar3...

this GAY and LESBIAN life was wrong and not the normal life and its against the good value rule in our religion...we will see what will GOD send to us reciprocate this attitude

Gay and Lesbian is disgusting life forever.

Galgalid that men and men or women and women kissing completely the worse art i have seen in my life...that behavior was so digusting

Anon-sama

09-18-2008, 01:11 AM

I'm going to start searching for studies confirming my theory starting tomorrow :) I'm almost sure that I'm right, but i still need some solid proof =)

hakimi001

09-18-2008, 10:19 AM

i hope the end of you studies Galgalid will make normal life among gay and lesbian.

we can use your studies to prevent all next generation from the wrong part in life like Gay and Lesbian.

nit3mar3

09-18-2008, 12:25 PM

you are totally intolerant. so this is your view of equality for all. great view *shakes head*

skullreken

09-18-2008, 02:24 PM

nothing like blind faith to dull the mind and stop people from making their own decions

Shuki

09-18-2008, 02:34 PM

If it helps break your stereotypes, I'm a strong Christian who believes in evolution (to an extent... I believe we came from an earlier form of human, not from apes or amoeba), and I'm quite happily bisexual. Orientation isn't really a choice any more than preferring potato to pumpkin, so I don't really know why people make such a big fuss about it. It only becomes wrong when you try to push it on everyone around you. I don't tell straight people that it's wrong that they haven't experienced being with someone of the same gender, so it makes me cranky to be told that by enjoying being with both women and men makes me some sort of evil creature I start to feel slightly cheesed off.

In terms of being a bible basher, let me follow you around for a day and I will point out a hundred things you do that the bible says not to. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Until you are the perfect human being, you have no right to judge me just because I REALLY like sleeping with women and dating men <3 (and before THAT stereotype starts, I don't sleep around... for some reason people assume that all bisexuals are trashy ho's o.O).

"However even through these teachings, we cannot prevent everyone from deciding to become homosexual but rather just to help people rethink their decisions upon what their sexual health and lifestyle suits them best, and that also to applies to how they want to go with their relationships."

This is the kind of patronising talk that makes me feel physically ill. It's like being told "It's ok, we know you're sick but with the right course of treatment you'll be healthy and normal in no time!" It reminds me that not too long ago homosexuals were sent to mental institutions and medicated in an attempt to "cure" their "illness", which has as much humanity as handing out lobotomies. In this age of self-help and low self esteem around, why are there people trying to make anyone different feel like a lower lifeform?

Sorry for teh rant =( Just something I feel passionate about.

hakimi001

09-18-2008, 03:57 PM

Skullreken...its ok if you say that to me...i can't force you to belief what i belief start i was born to this world..but for what i say is honestly according to my feeling combine with my religion...Skullreken if you want to make any decision for what anything you want to do...you just do it and avoiding what i has say before this...because we not in the same religion and you have your on life even you want to support the decision society Gay OR LESBIAN, that your life, i can't make you life same with my life...their (GAY or LESBIAN) can do what their want to do cause their have their own life...their will determine anything what will them to do in their life...even i force them to change their life but if GAY or LESBIAN can't change, that i do was nothing.

However what i say before this bout GAY or LESBIAN is against good value in our religion and nature also normal life in society will never change..

the WRONG BEHAVIOR must revalue as are WRONG BEHAVIOR...not the WRONG BEHAVIOR we revalue as GOOD BEHAVIOR and not suppose to be we accepted that DEVIANT BEHAVIOR...

I think the persons involve their life and do life as GAy and LEsbian has reset strongly in their mind set bout their chosen to be GAy or Lesbian. Anything to make them change their want to do as homosexuality was nothing even with teaching them softly..

Strongly i said GAY or LESBIAN is greatly disgusting in front of my eyes...i can't accepted that attitude forever...(sorry for say this)

Its ok SHUKi that your opinion...no problem and that good method teaching GAY or LESBIAN rethink what has wrong their do in their life, i just say what i feel and must to say without good value who follow the rule of nature and what GOD want suppose to be...

If anyone can't accepted what has i say...what can i do..the end of the day that your own life...

sorry for what i say, GAy or LESBIAN is are shit in front of GOD.