Is this what we fight for?

[playa_chan]

We live in a world when your not skinny, not beautiful, not sexy, and not straight... your TORTURED, ABUSED, and HUMILIATED. We say that we are all EQUAL but there is still RACISM, SEXISM, and people JUDGING others based on their RELIGION, COLOR, SIZE, and HERITAGE and many more....





If your gay, you get beat up.



If your fat, your not beautiful,

If your bisexual, nobody wants to be your friend.
If your emo, then your going to kill everybody.
your not pretty unless your anorexic.





Why do people commit suicide?....
Why do people cut themselves?...
Why do girls and boys become anorexic and bulimic?.....
Why do kids bring guns to school?.....
Why do kids get depressed...so they start using meds, and abusing them?.....
Why do girls feel the need to act like sluts to impress guys?....
Why cant people show their sexuality freely, without worrying about being judged?....
In the Bill Of Rights, it says we have FREEDOM OF SPEECH! So why are we so afraid to speak up for ourselves?.....


Our world today you cant be yourself and that sux!!! We should be who we are. Why cant you be bisexual and not be hated? Why cant you be emo and have people who are not scared of you? Why don't people get that we are all different ? Some kids are afraid to come out because of their parents or friends, but if they really love you then they will accept you for who you are. Don't become anorexic because somebody says your fat, just tell them nobody is perfect and you like the way you are. Just because your emo doesn't mean you have a gun and plan on killing people. There are parents out there in the world that tell their kids if you are gay/lesbian then they're going to kill you or disown you. How is that right? Thats going to make the kids not what to tell you anything. The world needs to learn how to except people. The only reason we don't is because they are different.
So i just say BE YOURSELF!!!! And fuck anyone who doesnt like it.




Be who you are and say



what you feel,because



those who mind don't



matter and those who



matter don't mind.




I AM SICK OF IT!



Stereotypes, and everything else.

I want to live in a good place, without suicide, rape, murder, and JUDGEMENT!






Why do



we kill people



who kill people



to show people



that killing people



is wrong?





Is this what we fight for....?

[playa_chan]

I accept everyone, it doesnt matter how he looks like, what his preferences are, the way he walks, how he talks, what habits he has, or what clothes he wears. In my eyes everyone is different and still has the same value to me == Tha Value of a Human being.Yes!! i accept the bisexual, gay, lesbian, emo, punk, preppy, cutters and anorexic people. And so should you, because in my opinion you've not been given the right to judge people based on anything personal of them. Just imagine yourself being hated for what you are, for showing your true self, for something you just cant change. How would you feel? I do not say that everyone here is a racist or Stereotype. But i know there were, are, and always will be some between us.

[mercer_sensei]

LOL, we do these thing due to how we are raised. Those raised in households of tolerance are more likely to be like you, and can accept things that are not the "norm" or society or whatever. However, those who grow up in strict environments are those who do these things, if you arent given any privileges growing up unless you look and act a certain way, yeah, it messes with the kids heads and they grow up to be weird like that.

As for the racism, sexism, and judging people, when you come out of your utopia, welcome to reality. You say you want to live in a world where everyone is accepted, well, you better invent a mind controlling devise, cause there will ALWAYS be ill sentiments from some people to other people.

I do try to accept everyone, but without realizing Im doing it, I judge people all the time. And if you say you dont judge people, then you are lying!

[Shi]

Be yourself is good but sadly where I live most races and etc are not really accepted and yea killing is bad yet people were rasied to kill o.o...

Racism is common here I get made fun of cause Im azn even if I didn't say anything.

Accepting how everyone is hard I try but when it comes to judgeing the instinicts take over well Im fine with anyone since I know it feels to be left out beaten and etc <.<

But if I don't like someone or what they are doing ill say my opinion even if its bad since I 'll feel guilty for lieing the world has its on mutaions causing all of this to create chaos....

[Kirihito]

There are alot of different answers to that question..ill make my *long answer * later but right now imma stick to my short one
People
Kill
Each
Other
Because
Of
Money
Rape
Hatred
Revenge

If there was one World...ONE WORLD AS U SAID...then
THE WORLD WOULD MAKE THE GREATEST INVENTIONS EASILY and wont end up destroying itself
i know that this sounds a little racist but ..WHO CARES?
I fight for myself
I fight for my Parents
I fight for my loved ones
I Fight for Japan
I Fight for Technology
I Fight for my soon-to-be GF(looks like Hecate)

In this World ....we all Struggle and we must all Fight
this is the World...accept it as it is while you can before the battle where Satan is gonna get PWN3DH@RDC0R3Z...


Ask yourself...Is the thing your fighting for worth it?
Answer...yes or no?


Here's a Music Video to listen to while you think of the ANswer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr1OBnNtOWY

[playa_chan]

UFI now u confused me .....
but yea its worth it ...well as long as i dont fight seriously ..but i do MEAN it . it is sure to me ...
haha putting that song for thinking ...>.< thats mean ..are u comparing me to kira or something ...
i said i dont like murders. its not like i would kill someone or something just to say "WE NEED PEACE IN THIS WORLD" because that would be a part of destroying that peace... lol like kira did it although ..i do admire him ...<.< but as its just anime it has not much to do with real life ..
but i also said
why do people kill people to show people that killing people is wrong?
<.< i dont intend on killing or Fighting in that way u might understanding ...
but i can post things like that and if i only or at least reached out to 1 or 2 people who might change their opinions on this topic its fine with me . i just want to TRY to stop the shit thats going on. i never said i can stop all of it ...but at least my concience is clear....>.>

[Kirihito]

err Playa it isnt about Death..
that song is(as the title suggest) THE WORLD
and the lyrics say it all(I Cant let Anyone INterfere)
Would you let someone interfere with your life and make it bad?
OF course no


Light is the greatest model for anyone who wants World Peace(except for the part where he calls himself *god of the new world*)
He only wanted to make the World better
he didnt let any1 interfere
he Fought for World peace and took the price of it for all the people in there


@Playa i dont compare you to Kira..i never compare any1 to Kira(except myself)
the song just helps you think better..i myself found it helpfull XD

[playa_chan]

lol ok i see...^^
and no i wouldnt let anyone interfere in my life if it would make it harder for me to live =o

[Sanouske]

This is an interesting topic. I do agree there are a lot of problems with the way society functions. There is a lot of inequality out there. But you have to stop and realize things are not just going to get up and change over night. I think that each person can really only go out and do his or her best to better him/herself everyday and do their best to make the people and world around them better. The problem with this is there are many different views of what will make the world better, and thus we get the world as it is today.

[Barzillal]

That is indeed a hard question... lol
I do not know what I fight for to be honest, however I do have a view on what is worth to fight for one thing: I fight for logic and reason.
The diversity of how we are raised, our beliefs and our individualistic perception will somehow contradict to some and will parallel to others that is why I will have to pause for awhile and think... logically erasing all the bias and traits I prefer to make a reasonable judgement

[cloudmaster88]

I gotta agree with most of the people here it's hard a question...but I would say we judge, stereotype, and kill people...because, it depends on how the person was raised, if a kid's parent was a racist, prejudice person and he taught his son to hate everyone who was different of course the kid is going to turn out in most cases all racist, sexist, prejudice the kid only sees what is done in front of his eyes to him that's only thing that seems to teach him...so basically most people can turn that way because their parents were like that or the ways of the world was too hard on them....

[playa_chan]

for me its kinda just an excuse if someone tries to blame everything on the way of raising. for me everyone has to take responsibilities for whatthey are doing it doesnt mater what everyone else says... it doesnt matter what your friends family or anyone else says...as u still have the right to choose about your actions. because its not lie your parents tell you to abuse that one or this person ...its still all your work every each word you speaak to every each action you take .....

[leoneri]

LOL ... in the end we all can only said that we do what we believe .. but does all of you finally realize something?

True Freedom is utopia. It is impossible just the same as when Hegel or Karl Marx or anyone from socialists and communist said that people are just the same. So every share of wealth should be distributed equally among people under the government's jurisdiction ... It is utopia either ...

Please do remember ... that human are made with differences so we can understand each other, but WITHIN LIMIT.

This LIMIT is what a lot of people don't understand while they are all walking everyday carrying this limit.

That's why people doing what we called as TRADING ... We all trade-in and trade-off between interest that match with our current, past, or future needs ... :)

Pretty simple. To live in the world where there is no complain is simply impossible. Because each people has different interest. There is no good and bad or right and wrong. It all depends on agreement. When we want to go back to our own heart, we will only see that every heart of every people just different. So, whose heart will be set as standard???

So just live with it :) and enjoy what you have now and be grateful with it and be happy with it, because when you see around, there are just many other who doesn't have what you have right now ... and they are dying to have them ...

[.insanity.]

Hm, I'm a blunt, straightforward, and honest person so don't hold it against me. I admit, I really wish I didn't mind how people looked like, and etc. But I'm embarrassed to hang around with Caucasians when my other Asian friends see, since we've had an incident with whites before. I don't like when overweights come to me and act all friendly, 'cause I got squished by one during PE. I was hit on by an older Hispanic and I don't care if he was just joking because it was pretty scary to me. I would rather sit next to Asians than blacks. I got transferred out of my old school for not living in the district and the people there were, for lack of a better word, ghetto. They bullied my brother and I for being the stereotypical intelligent Asian. I would have to say everyone has their preferences depending on how they were raised, their experiences, and etc. Judgment doesn't come on its own.

[psyopslayerx]

Society...society a question that one lurked in me, though what you say is really unrealistic. First off, judging people is a instinct where we category people in places from acceptable to unacceptable to just weird. Now I find it true, that be yourself and don't care what other people think. In this world, peace and equality is a just a illusionary tale since theres people that feel their bigger then life and think low of others, and wars will always be there since theres businesses that profit from such catastrophe, there will always be a difference in world, yin-yang a good side and a evil side. Now picture peace and equality around the world, think of like eagles coexisting with mices and small creatures....so from there, my question is what does the eagle eat now? The world works with such bad rules but its needed in order to give peace to others, its a chain of life and basically thats reality though thats my opinion.

[Maucho182]

Beautiful thread my friend, Bra-effing-vo!!!:banzai:

[Dragon_Drake]

You seem to show charisma in your posts, playa. Well, not contrary to your post, yes, that would be a nice world to live in. However, as you would know, not everyone here and in this world is from America, so they already have no obligation to consider everyone equal towards themselves. It's just the way the world is -- The human race isn't perfect, and we will try to stereotype differences to make ourselves feel higher through supremacy over the other.

For myself, I don't care about what another person's sexuality, religion, race, etc. It's what they are and I accept that, but if someone is going to insult me and stuff, I'm not just going to sit back and take it. I'll fight back myself with sexism, sexuality, race, religion, etc. because that's just how it is. Most of us, I believe, are discriminatory because we ourselves are targeted with the such and we obviously don't want to look like pushovers.

In bluntness to the question, I fight for myself -- No one else.

[TheGoldenGir]

Ok forgive me if this is long, I tend to rant a little if it's something I feel strongly about.
Hm.. not to sound pessimistic because this is from a good-natured reply, but I doubt there ever WILL be solice on earth, we all wish to find a Utopia however the real truth is there will always be "Haters" to oppose those who are different; however we cannot judge them, or we are no different ourselves. We might have no idea how that person was raised, what experiences he/she went through, or what influences might bave befallen them, in the end it comes down to examining yourself. Are you satisfied at the path your life has taken? if not what could you do to change it for the result you want?

I, speaking from experience, can say that there are indeed times when I wished I wasn't a lesbian, however there are people out there like me, who are, and are alot worse off than I. It is THEM that I fight for, those who face such issues in blood while I sit safely here on my computer typing this. It does anger me knowing someone else has to face my burdens in a sense. Truth be told, I have faced prejudicy in the past and let me say it's not something we can just shrug off. Sure we all like to think we're impenetrable walls of mental titanium, yet when someone insults you infront of your friends in public, you won't be leaving there unharmed, whether physically, emotionally, or pshychologically. Anyway I fight for the people who don't fight for themselves, when I hear on the news about people who offed themselves because of a fact of life, it does piss me off to be honest; people kept nagging them until they finally couldn't take it and in the end the world will keep revolving, the sad fact is we all say we want to fight for something, and true we do all indeed fight for some cause however minute, however there will always be those people, or those things, we can't save, and it's for them I fight. It's for those who gave up, I fight.
Again sorry for the long post but this topic peaked my interest.
~Hitomi Chan

[Mattheart]

I fight for a world where people can get along.
We have one planet that the governments of the world have split up
and seperated its people.
By giving ourselves identities such as americans or iraqis
we have given ourselves the justification we need to stay seperated and essentially hate others.
but we all live on the same planet.
we all have the same organs.
and at the rate were going, were all going to kill each other.
haha, maybe a bit overboard
but thats what i fight for.

[[dW]]

Our world today you cant be yourself and that sux!!!
gawd. I so totaly agree with you...

and sometimes, I feel like I wanna live in a better world, surrounded by people who think like me. but then, fact is, we need such treatement to help strengthen our personalitites and our sense of individuality.

even if that sounds a little too "optimistic", well, I guess we really can't do anything about it. that's how the world works. we can just try to live with it the best way possible.

what I fight for? I fight for my beliefs. my individuality. my hapiness and the people that are important to me.

[bonvnguyen]

To me, its better to live in a world where everyone can get along as well as a world without fighting and freedom would also be good too.

Although its true that the world is not always perfect and peaceful seeing as there are people who'd love to cause trouble regarding small to big issues such as harassment or destruction for example, not just in society but in parts of the world too.

True and Definitely. I believe people should reconsider how they interact in life in regards to getting around places as well as how people treat one another. That way, it does show a much strengthened personality as well as their sense of being an individual and belonging.

Same goes with me, I too would also fight for my sense of belonging as well as my individuality and for those who are closely important to me.

[wondering]

This world isn't a Utopia (or is it "an" Utopia? My english isn't all that great), and I believe that this world will never be perfect. You had quite a passionate post but people will always do stuff like that. The pain, abuse, all of that will always remain on this planet as long as there are humans on this planet. (I wonder if animals do this too.....hmm) Now you may not be able to change the world, but you might and I'm saying might be able to change your community on their views but even then, I doubt it....

[verosavana88]

UFI now u confused me .....
but yea its worth it ...well as long as i dont fight seriously ..but i do MEAN it . it is sure to me ...
haha putting that song for thinking ...>.< thats mean ..are u comparing me to kira or something ...
i said i dont like murders. its not like i would kill someone or something just to say "WE NEED PEACE IN THIS WORLD" because that would be a part of destroying that peace... lol like kira did it although ..i do admire him ...<.< but as its just anime it has not much to do with real life ..
but i also said
why do people kill people to show people that killing people is wrong?
<.< i dont intend on killing or Fighting in that way u might understanding ...
but i can post things like that and if i only or at least reached out to 1 or 2 people who might change their opinions on this topic its fine with me . i just want to TRY to stop the shit thats going on. i never said i can stop all of it ...but at least my concience is clear....>.>

You HAVE to kill to get peace because when a person starts an argument or speaks their mind. There are and will always be people who think diferently than you do. Some may think so Highly of their mind that they will hurt you. It means to hurt or be hurt. Would you Hurt or be the one getting hurt? I believe you would prefer to hurt than to be hurt just like any other human being. Humans think of themselves before they think of others. It is an instinct. When you think of protecting your loved ones it is the same, it is an instinct you are protecting your self from feeling emotional pain. If someone is in your house pointing a gun at you mother or lover, would you let them kill them?

So if you want to make them see your point you are ganna force them. It would be the same as leaving a soulless body. He would think the same way you do but guess what It is no longer that person's will.

It is the same with killers. You think killing is wrong. so you have to kill them, or sooner or later they will hurt someone important to someone else. That person would be thinking of protecting their loved ones so they would kill that person. Dont you think so?

I guess this sounds messed up but i believe that if they killed lets say 5 people. You should do the same exact things they did to those people. You torture them the way they tortured the others. People always talk about a "golden rule: treat otheres the way you want to be treated. So are you saying those killers wanted to be killed, didnt they kill so you would kill them.

You may change the way of thinking of many people, but thats the same thing everyone else is doing. Its the same as killing a person. You take their individuality away. Like Hitler he just changed peoples minds. Was that a good thing? What would have happened if someone hadnt killed him? Could you imagine what would have happened if someone hadnt stopped him. I think killing someone who killed someone is right. They deserve to suffer what they did to the other person.

It is kind of messed up, but thats the way we, humans, interact.

[Opacic_A]

To be honest the original post reads like a MySpace bulletin.

Anyway.

Regardless of how we, a bunch of people on an anime forum, act or think there will always be Xenophobia, there will always be bigotry, ignorance etc. I think you get my meaning.

No country or person can truly say they have never discriminated against how someone looks, acts or says, there's always been a situation where you've done that which you condemn now.

It's a human condition to be afraid of what's different, and the feeling only gets stronger in cultures where racial diversity is very little, but on the opposite end it's also the same with nationsa that are very racially diverse.

Case in point, Japan is probably one of the least (racially) diverse nations I've seen, and also one of the most Xenophobic according to the United Nations, foreigners are treated worse regarding jobs, buying a home and basically anything, of course such views are very slowly being removed, and quite a few younger japanese people will act friendly towards you.

And on the other end, we have a country like Australia, my country, whilst we're all not racist, there still exists a severe phobia towards Asia and the Middle East in general, a recent survey (I know statistics are bullshit, but bare with me) revealed that even Australians who don't consider them racist still were suspicious of people who wore clothing that revealed them as Muslim.

Of course I can argue that we as free Westerners, given the right of free speech must accept that as much as we can say, we must also receive, in other words we can't whine about being offended by someone, as they are, in fact, exercising their right to free speech.

And on another subject.

War, or violence in general.

Warfare is not new to humanity, we've been fighting and killing since we all existed in tiny little social tribes, sometimes diplomacy can and will fail and force is the only way to prove the point that you see as right.

As much as I would love to see the concept of Peace and 'Love', so to speak, dominate the world, the realistic side of me slaps me across the back of the head, tells me to shut up, and look outside my window, the universe is a very cold, dark and empty place, and we humans are of no consequence when compared to it, we are a mere mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

No one will come to save us, nor do I hold much hope that we can save us from ourselves, I still hold much hope for humanity, but I remain cynical as to whether we really do have a future to look forward to when such terrible things happen day by day.

[Jinzu]

Who said WE fight? who is WE?
Why do you think killing is wrong? Why do you assume fat people are ugly? Why is the ideal for everyone to be equal? is everybody equal?
Is speaking up such a good thing? Is living such a good thing?
Who said death is better?
Why can't you be bisexual not be and hated..? Why can't you be fucking psycho and not be hated?!
Who is man, to tell me what to think, to believe, to do, to live for, to die for, what to kill for, what to say, what to keep in, what to do with myself?
No one. You're all fucking no-ones to me. But I like you no-ones. I like life. I like the smell of roses when I pass by them. I like my music when i'm lying in bed with my headphones on. I like these discussions, to see how the rest of humanity thinks of the world. I like to speak my mind.
I like the freedom, the choices, that I've always had and always will have. I like death. I like nothing.

[WarZone]

i fight for those i love i fight to protect what is important to me i fight for my protection i fight for my loved ones protection. i fight for what i believe in.

on a side note im not racist or judgemental by anymeans but i must say that i dislike most of the EMO people i met. EMO is possibly oneof the most touchy subjects i will ever talk about.


my reason stands as so.


the emo people i know all have great families and get what ever they want yet they claim they have nothing and nobody loves them. They cry and get upset that the world hates them when its them who makes it likethat by acting like the world hates them and shutting themselves away from the world.i know people who have extremly sh*ty lives no money no food barley making rent both parents dead or left them or dying and they have better additude then the emos i know who have everything they could want. If you dont want people to think your gunna kill everybody then stop acting like it. and the worst thing is that they selfishly kill themselves and make thereparents and friends and family sad and upset for the rest of there lives because they instigated there own bullying. Everybody gets picked on its life it happens unfortionatly thats the generation we live in. ill admit racism against black obese people gay people exc.. is horrible but those peoples anger r just. thats how they r thats how they were born or how they were raised. out. EMO kids were not raised like that nor were they born like that they choose to be like that they CHOOSE to act like outcasts then get mad when they r outcasted. i cant respect that by anymeans and will never respect them. i wont tease them or bully them to each there own but dont get mad cuz u want to be an outcast and then ur outcasted.


thoase r just my opinions going by what i have seen in my lifetime sofar mabye there r different people out there but i havnt met them yet.


ill say this a high percentage of my family has served in the millitary for a long time. and i have attempted to join the marines myself but was rejected due to my blood pressure and my lack of vision out of my left eye. i will fight for every person in this country with out a seconds notice but i will not fight for the people who hate there own lives and country for no reason at all.

[Opacic_A]

i fight for those i love i fight to protect what is important to me i fight for my protection i fight for my loved ones protection. i fight for what i believe in.


Yet here you are on an anime forum.

Not being mean or anything, just pointing out the irony.

Unless you're in the armed forces or something.

[WarZone]

attempted to join the marines. just because your not in the armed forces dont mean u cant fight for your loved ones. i fight everyday of my life for my beliefs and loved ones. if someone insults my frie3nds believe ium the first person to defend them. same goes for family. if i see someone picking on a smaller size person for no reason believe ill step in to defend them.i dont promote violence nor do i encourage it. but i will not hesitate to fight to defend something i love and believe in.

[Opacic_A]

attempted to join the marines. just because your not in the armed forces dont mean u cant fight for your loved ones. i fight everyday of my life for my beliefs and loved ones. if someone insults my frie3nds believe ium the first person to defend them. same goes for family. if i see someone picking on a smaller size person for no reason believe ill step in to defend them.i dont promote violence nor do i encourage it. but i will not hesitate to fight to defend something i love and believe in.

Righto then.

As long as you have reason and vindication, I respect that.

[WarZone]

remember not all fights r 100% physical. i think 85% of fights r mental. most of the time u fight with someone about it its verbal arguments debates pretty much. its only when what ur defending is insulted that it can sometimes become physical.

[Opacic_A]

remember not all fights r 100% physical. i think 85% of fights r mental. most of the time u fight with someone about it its verbal arguments debates pretty much. its only when what ur defending is insulted that it can sometimes become physical.
Of course.

But a few well placed words can hurt more than a knife in the back.

[WarZone]

100% agreed with you there

[ShiningTear]

hm.. i really liked to read this topic, but what i dont understand is HOW CAN SOMEONE SAY KIRA IS THE PERFECT MODEL FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS PEACE?

i admit, at the start of death note, i liked kira too, the way he fought for justice, the thing what made him special.. his will.. but he went into the wrong direction.. he murdered every criminal.. is that ok? No it isnt, as several characters in death note showed us.. I agree, world needs change but not through this way.. killing off anyone who made some heavy mistake is not the right way..

just fight for JUSTICE through PEACE ..
As Near said, Kira was just a psychopathic murderer..

[Jinzu]

ShiningTear, who are you to say what is okay and what isn't?
What's wrong with being a psychopatic murderer, if you believe what you're doing is the right thing? The only thing that's really wrong in my eyes is pretending. Predending you like something, pretending you don't.
Acting like something is okay, when it actually isn't..
So what if you're wrong? Everybody can make mistakes. Even if they are HUGE f*ckups involving thousands of deaths. In the end, it's only a mistake. I'm not saying I won't hate someone who would kill my family.
I am saying, that anyone would have the right to, if they would truly desire it. And I think I have the right to see to it that that person gets put in jail for the rest of his life. I mean. In the end it's the same as saying; He doesn't have the right to kill my family, so that's why I want him to die/go to jail. The consequence is the same, right?
The difference is the way you think about it. If you really want something, and you're willing to put your life, your soul, you being on the line to get it. I don't think that's a bad thing, no matter how crazy the goal is. And I think everyone has that right.

[Opacic_A]

The difference is the way you think about it. If you really want something, and you're willing to put your life, your soul, you being on the line to get it. I don't think that's a bad thing, no matter how crazy the goal is. And I think everyone has that right.
What a terribly selfish concept, it bears no thought to how this would effect anyone else.

Oh wait, we all already do that.

[Jinzu]

And what's so terrible about being selfish? Look. Everybody is selfish.
Always. When you make a donation, when you save anybodies life.
If it makes you feel better it's selfish. And we don't already do that.
We only talk bullshit ideolistical crap like that one sentence you typed there.
That's the kind of shit that makes hate humanity.

[Opacic_A]

And what's so terrible about being selfish? Look. Everybody is selfish.
Always. When you make a donation, when you save anybodies life.
If it makes you feel better it's selfish. And we don't already do that.
We only talk bullshit ideolistical crap like that one sentence you typed there.
That's the kind of shit that makes hate humanity.
Hence why I said "Oh wait, we already do that."

I might talk crap like that but at the end of the day I'd rather sit here arguing with you on a forum rather than help some poor kid in Africa.

Aren't you lucky <3




I'm leading the sniper team. :urusai:

*grabs popcorn*

[ShiningTear]

ShiningTear, who are you to say what is okay and what isn't?
What's wrong with being a psychopatic murderer, if you believe what you're doing is the right thing? The only thing that's really wrong in my eyes is pretending. Predending you like something, pretending you don't.
Acting like something is okay, when it actually isn't..
So what if you're wrong? Everybody can make mistakes. Even if they are HUGE f*ckups involving thousands of deaths. In the end, it's only a mistake. I'm not saying I won't hate someone who would kill my family.
I am saying, that anyone would have the right to, if they would truly desire it. And I think I have the right to see to it that that person gets put in jail for the rest of his life. I mean. In the end it's the same as saying; He doesn't have the right to kill my family, so that's why I want him to die/go to jail. The consequence is the same, right?
The difference is the way you think about it. If you really want something, and you're willing to put your life, your soul, you being on the line to get it. I don't think that's a bad thing, no matter how crazy the goal is. And I think everyone has that right.

Yeah, Im sorry that i put my thoughts of my last post in such a form, well, its because Im used to speak like that.. Of course i dont considerate me as someone who can decide whats right or whats wrong..

I think its honorable to fight for something you desire as hard as you can.. I think its honorable to have the will and the power to change the world you live in.. BUT I dont think its honorable to kill houndreds of people, including your own father, who you looked up to and gave birth to you.. Is such a man a monster or still a human ? A human like everyone else?

You say everyone has a right to do whatever he wants, and im agreeing with you, but its end of the line when he starts to include other people in his doing, and hurt them. If every1 is allowed to KILL someone they hate what will the world change into? If every1 is allowed to RAPE someone they are interested in, what will the world change into? Look, Im not saying I love the world we live in, I can live with it..

You're saying it can be just a mistake if you kill someone. But if you really hear it like that from influencing ppl, it looks like a light burden, everyone can carry.

[Jinzu]

I think its honorable to fight for something you desire as hard as you can.. I think its honorable to have the will and the power to change the world you live in.. BUT I dont think its honorable to kill houndreds of people, including your own father, who you looked up to and gave birth to you.. Is such a man a monster or still a human ? A human like everyone else?

OKay. Then let me ask this. Is a gay human, human like everybody else?
See things aren't that simple. If we could just state a line between good and wrong we wouldn't be having this conversation.. but the difference is we can't. Even if you'd even kill your father. Why would that make you a monster? Would that make you irredeemable? Would a monster be able to go back to being a man, when confronted with his mistakes?
And that's the thing that pisses me off about humans. They don't want to admit their mistakes (usually).. Making them actually worse then monsters. If a man would kill his father and hundreds of people, but in the end really believes he did the right/wrong thing, and is willing to accept full responisibility. Then I believe that is the right thing to do.

On the other hand, If a man kills hundreds of people, but keeps living his own lies up untill the end. That makes him no monster, that makes him far worse. He killed his dad for simple lies. Truth that he himself didn't even believe in. And that's why I said it's okay to do something you believe in.
Because wars aren't waged with rights and wrongs, everybody is right and wrong on some points eventually, they're waged with wills, and the power of those.


You say everyone has a right to do whatever he wants, and im agreeing with you, but its end of the line when he starts to include other people in his doing, and hurt them. If every1 is allowed to KILL someone they hate what will the world change into? If every1 is allowed to RAPE someone they are interested in, what will the world change into? Look, Im not saying I love the world we live in, I can live with it..

There is no difference. But you mistake my original sentences. I'm not saying they're ALLOWED to kill/rape/etc, i'm saying they have the right to.
Get the difference? The difference is a misinterpretation of justice.
When somebody dear to you is raped, you'd want 'justice' to be brought upon the rapist, right? In the world we live in, it is wrong to rape.
In the world i'm presenting, it isn't wrong to rape. But it isn't wrong to bring own justice upon the rapist either. See? It's the same principle.. The only difference are the words, the thoughts, surrounding the two different worlds.
You're saying kill to punish the killer. *as an example*
I'm saying kill to revenge the victim.



You're saying it can be just a mistake if you kill someone. But if you really hear it like that from influencing ppl, it looks like a light burden, everyone can carry.

That's because it is. How do people survive? By killing others.
The difference between us and animals is that we do it in an indirect way.
We don't kill the rival hunters, we kill their prey, so they won't be able to eat. It's as easy as 1.. 2..

;]...

[ShiningTear]

Oh jinzu, it seems that youre the only one to discuss with huh xD?


"That's because it is. How do people survive? By killing others.
The difference between us and animals is that we do it in an indirect way.
We don't kill the rival hunters, we kill their prey, so they won't be able to eat. It's as easy as 1.. 2.. "- from.. you :D

How do people survive? by eating and drinking .. you srsly dont need to kill others to survive..
I may be young, I may be inexperienced, and there are very many things I dont know, but what I know is that there must be another way.. a way which doesnt involve violence.. Sure, violence is needed, violence is part of us all.. but its not always nessecary..

oh yeah, i dont quite get the last sentence.. what do you mean with killing the prey?

[Jinzu]

How do people survive? by eating and drinking ..

EXACTLY. That's exactly what I meant. You totally missed my point.
I'm not talking about direct killing. Im talking about actions killing people, not people killing people.
You take your food for granted. Who ever said it's rightfully yours because you buy it? Remember, one chicken more for you.. Is one less for somebody else.
And that's the world in a nutshell. You can only make profit from disprofit of somebody else. I'm not talking abou "directly killing" somebody else.
I'm talking about the world.
Your money doesn't grow on trees, and even if it would, the same principle would count:
If you get something, it means it comes from somewhere. That on itself means somebody else is losing something.. so you get the picture. We have food, we have clean water, we have money.. Things not everyone has.
By eating your food instead of giving it away you are already killing people.. Maybe not at once. But if 90% of the western world does it. Hell, that's surely going to be the death of a few hundred africans.
Do you get what i'm suggesting? People take the word "killing" too literairy.

[yom_88]

you said yourself people are different and it is a must
if we all are the same nothing will ever happen we would perish eventually.

how a person is raised has a great impact on his life afterwords
but he should not be stuck with what he has been told until he realizes for himself and choose will he accept it or not....
i think the most don't get there & and choose not change, call it fear or not being able to get out of the line they are limited to ...

they have a mind .... they should use it

i might say that for some people a human soul doesn't matter if it means to get what they want.
it has passed down by generations unconsciously
** The end justifies the means!! **

anyone should get to know themselves better before judging others
YES, everyone is born equal
for me the whole scale is about how they think
not religion, origins, looks or anything else
if i see someone who is never willing to listen *NOT to believe* to what others have to say
that is something worth fighting for

we should
Widen our minds to fit others, other thoughts, other beliefs
recognize the different worlds than ours and know what others are like
before putting them on the black list

*if you want to change something start with yourself*

someone really should start changing???
let's start with ourselves

& no one should prove anyone wrong
just do the right thing!!

anyone can create his small nearly-ideal world
it will grow bigger.....

[Batou-san]

people are different...
and that is forever...
so wars and prejudice and other things are also forever...
the hate towards different is something that people have always and is not possible to eradicate by any measures...
even if nobody says it they still will hate someone different...
so we will continue to kill each other no matter how "civilized" we are...

[BohrGnosis]

for me its kinda just an excuse if someone tries to blame everything on the way of raising. for me everyone has to take responsibilities for whatthey are doing it doesnt mater what everyone else says... it doesnt matter what your friends family or anyone else says...as u still have the right to choose about your actions. because its not lie your parents tell you to abuse that one or this person ...its still all your work every each word you speaak to every each action you take .....

I agree. We choose what to believe and how to behave. Of course our upbringing is the foundation of our life but the example comes from infinite sources and we choose what to believe, what to question and what to disregard. I blame the media and a lacking education system for alot of the global society's problems but at the same time, we are still evolving as is our technology and communication abilities. the collective consciousness is also becoming more aware and the fact that we can all come together in agreeance of these key flaws is proof of that. people are becoming more aware of the reality of true equality but some signifigant problems still lay in cultural misunderstandings and differences. And then there's the issue of good and bad people and an imperfect justice system which is innefective in deterring crime. (prevention is of course better than cure.)

I'm sure that in another hundred years, the global culture of the earth will be more stable and that there will be a much greater acceptance of one another. I believe this because history has proven that tollerence and understanding is evolving and the attitude of the younger generations are becoming increasingly questioning towards the information being fed to them.

I'm certain, although I doubt that i will see it. that the earths population will come to work together in absolute agreement (aside from the bad eggs) and then we will be asking ourselves why there is so much prejudice between the intergalactic races untill the entire universe is a harmonious place and probably very boring too.

but seriously, we learn ALOT from every day media (brainwashing). Why do some girls act like sluts to get guys attention? cause they see it on tv, they try it and it works and they like the response (and some girls actually are sluts... bad eggs). I could go on to talk about global conspiracy, government corruption and media brain washing and the reason why they want us acting like that but ill save that for another thread.

Meanwhile, lead by example. Show people how to tolerate one another's differences. it'll catch on gradually but the way needs pioneering so pioneer away my friends.

[Nathaniel]

as far as the below discussion is considered i dunno much but i agree to the terms quoted by my frnd there.

[Anon-sama]

No gravedigging! *locked*