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12-29-2008, 04:44 PM
Salam every one....
actually i don't know if u heard of what happened 2 days ago and still happening.
isreal is bombing a city called Gaza in Palestine since Saturday and they killed more than 350 ppl and injured more than 1600 so far.
they are bombing every thing even the schools,universities, houses and mosques.
yes there was some kind of fake peace treaty between isreal and a group called Hamas governs Gaza.
on an interview with the Israeli prime minister on aljazeera TV she said:"we are doing this just to bring peace with Hamas" ya what a good way to bring peace!!!
American government said that they understand why they did so while another countries in Europe and the UN and the human rights Condemns what's Israel is doing.
to make the situation more clear imagine this:
your are a man your town is sealed and surrounded by military forces no food no electricity no medical supplies allowed to enter.
- your wife is pregnant but you cant send her to a hospital cause its useless as there are no medical supplies available and during the peace treaty supplies are not allowed to enter.
- your son is hungry but you cant go and buy him some food cause its peace treaty no food allowed to enter.
- its winter your wife and son feeling cold but you can do nothing.
- electricity is down and no gas supply. Why ? Are you fool !? Itís peace treaty, thatís why.
- oh and just to keep the peace treaty existing, Israel helicopters bomb us from time to time to prevent us from being getting bored from hunger and cold and pain. They are entertaining us with some bombings! so everyone chill!
"thanks bro moh"
this is exactly the situation there in a very biased way but u might not believe me but this is how it is.
see this site and u will know what's going on if u r interested.
12-29-2008, 06:14 PM
this peace treaty of israel is all crap. Israel seems to have some sort of deal with the US. Every time some nation is about to get something done to solve this crisis, the US vetos.
The media is screwed too. When palestinian people throw stones at Israelis they are called as terrorists, fundamentalists and all sorts of names. Palestinian casualty strangely comes under the category of either terrorists or fundamentalist while Israeli casualties are bragged about as war heroes. This is the height of hypocrisy!
The whole world is screwed up. During the lebanon crisis, why did Israel wage war on lebanon? because its two soldiers were allegedly kidnapped. An entire nation going for an all out war just for this reason? And the whole world watched by. Thats how spineless the world is.
I condemn the act of israel killing so many people in Gaza. Whether Hamas really broke the treaty (which is just show off anyway) or not, slaughter of women and children cannot be justified at any cost. And if anyone even tries to justify the act of Israel then he is a shame on mankind.
12-29-2008, 06:59 PM
I agree with islandi, the media is very pro-Israeli..Israel has been backed by America for a long time so they have taken it upon themselves to be the "watchdog" of the region but they are just oppressing everyone else..It is so sad to see these things on the news.
12-29-2008, 08:11 PM
The fact is that Israel does not want peace, what does it stand to gain from it?
A fair peace agreement with the Palestinians would mean Israel would have to
cease expanding it's border cease building settlements in the west bank and return
the lands it has taken. To this date 100's of 1000's of Palestinians have been
dispossessed of their lands and homes by demolition military violence and unfair and
biased planning laws if you ask me the Palestinian people are suffering an ethnic
cleansing that far exceeds that which occurred in Bosnia during the 1990's
We cant over look the fact that the breach of the cease fire by Hamas sparked this
bloody affair but it should be noted that attacks by Hamas are ineffective and in the
last 7 years they have only managed to kill 17 Israelis I don't think that the small scale
actions of a terrorist group justify such heavy handed responses such like an air strike
resulting in the deaths of over 250 civilians in the space of 24 hours followed by a full
scale military incursion into Palestinian territory, yes as we speak reserves are being
called up and Israeli armour is massing on the border.
You'd think after all this time the Israelis would have realized that by attacking the
innocent civilian population with out discrimination they are just lowering themselves
to the same level as the terrorists and providing these organizations with new
members who in turn will retaliate During the troubles in Northern Ireland IRA guerillas
launched mortars from the Republic of Ireland into Northern Ireland they murdered
civilians with car bombs and raided police stations and killed British soldiers not only
that they blew up members of the British royal family and made 3 attempts on
Margaret Thatcher. But did the British retaliate with a full scale bombing and invasion
of Ireland? No because the new that it would counter productive instead they worked
on combating the terrorists directly with precise actions and worked on peace
negotiations for over 30 years, aside from that they didn't enjoy a special relationship
with certain superpowers which would see a blind eye turned and unconditional
support offered to them.
If Israel wants real peace and security they need to stop with the heavy handed and
indiscriminate retaliations and also lift some of the restrictions that are making Gaza
effectively the worlds largest concentration camp it's terrible to see people starving and
not having access to medical care because food and medical supplies are not being
allowed into the country. Ritual condemnation of Israeli military actions in various parts of
Lebanon and Palestine are of no use now positive action to protect the human rights and
legitimate rights to property and bodily integrity of innocent civilians in Gaza is needed from
the UN, EU and anyone else who professes to stand for Civil and Human rights
Israel said that it's HAMAS's fault that their airstrikes killed civilian in Gaza.
... I've probably never heard more ridiculous statement than this one.
It's like saying "I shot your friend because you stand next to him, so it's not my fault that I killed him"
12-31-2008, 04:44 AM
I've read up on this. From what I saw, the Hamas attacks on Israel and also the Hamas were building up Military force. Israel is a war hawk nation and I don't really like them going to war.
Also I read that Israel tried to assassinate the Hama's leader, can't recall his name, with airplanes.
I don't think Palestine and Israel can ever find peace unless somehow those two men in history(one palestinian and one Isrealite) solve the problem. But last time that happened one of them died. This is a terrible situation for both of them.
12-31-2008, 06:02 PM
the latest news
five days past since the beginning of this massacre and until now 394 have been killed and 2000 injured.
isreal refuses any peace treaty with Gaza and refuses any solution from other countries.
isreal is destroying the borders between GAZA and Egypt to prevent them from sending supplies and helping the injured ppl.
Hamas started replying on isreal by launching 45 missiles to a different targets in isreal.
human rights says that Gaza is facing a human disaster due to the shortage in food,medicines,....etc
UNRWA needs 34 million dollar to help the ppl of Gaza.
GAZA is under fire
12-31-2008, 06:13 PM
Also there have been riots in Egypt, embassies have been bombed, for thinking the Egyptian government had helped out Israel. As I've read in my newspaper article, European nations want a seize fire and the US and China is not pressuring anything on each. But China supports Israel's actions.
Israel wants to destroy everything so the Hamas will have nothing to rebuild with. I heard about some talk that Israel will stop if Hama's would stop firing missiles into Israel.
12-31-2008, 06:51 PM
I don't condone Hamas'sterrorist actions but I can understand why they are doing it.
and I can say that for the following reasons my sympathies lie with the Palestinians
From its very inception, Israel has violated numerous statutes of International law. Statutes of international law violated by Israel include:
The Fourth Geneva Convention.
The Charter of the United Nations.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The International Convention on Elimination of Racial Discrimination.
The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights.
The UN Declaration on the Right to Development.
The Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhumane or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (1984).
The Convention on the Rights of the Child.
In addition, Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than any other UN member state. Israel has violated 28 resolutions of the United Nations Security Council (which are legally binding on member-nations), and almost 100 resolutions of the United Nations General Assembly (which are not binding, but represent the will and understanding of the international community).
For a comprehensive list of the UN resolutions that Israel is in violation of, click here (http://www.divestmentproject.org/UN_resolutions.shtml).
Israel also ignores the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice of 2004, which declared that the separation wall that Israel is building throughout the West Bank is contrary to international law, and that Israel is obliged to dismantle the structure forthwith and make reparations for all damage caused by its construction.
Illegal acquisition of land by force: Israel annexed land by force during the 1948 war (including land outside of the UN Partition Plan).
Ejection of and denial of right of return to native Palestinians: Over 750,000 Palestinian civilians were driven from their homes in 1948. These people and their descendants are prevented returning to their homeland by Israel in defiance of UN Resolution 194. and Article 13 of the universal Declaration of Human Rights. The right to return of refugees and displaced peoples is enshrined in numerous humanitarian and human rights documents.
Destruction of property: Over 500 Palestinian villages were destroyed during the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948. Since 1967 Israel has demolished 18,147 Palestinian homes, leaving over 100,000 people without shelter.
Israel’s admission to the United Nations was conditional on its acceptance of UN Resolutions 181 (Partition Plan) and 194 (Right of Return for Refugees) both of which it has failed to comply with. The legality of Israel’s seat at the UN is questionable.
The International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid defines apartheid as follows:
…acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:
(a) Denial to a member or members of a racial group or groups of the right to life and liberty of person:
(i) By murder of members of a racial group or groups;
(ii) By the infliction upon the members of a racial group or groups of serious bodily or mental harm, by the infringement of their freedom or dignity, or by subjecting them to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment;
(iii) By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups;
(b) Deliberate imposition on a racial group or groups of living conditions calculated to cause its or their physical destruction in whole or in part;
(c) Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;
(d) Any measures including legislative measures, designed to divide the population along racial lines by the creation of separate reserves and ghettos for the members of a racial group or groups, the prohibition of mixed marriages among members of various racial groups, the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof;
Whether they reside in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, or in Israel, Palestinians are discriminated against in a variety of ways and denied equal individual rights on the grounds of their descent, nationality and ethnic origin. These policies and practices of segregation and domination bear striking similarities to those adopted in apartheid-era South Africa.
Israeli discrimination against its non-Jewish Arab citizens is boldly set out in legislation. The following are just a few examples:
The Law of Return (1950) grants right of immigration to Jews born anywhere in the world. It was amended in 1970 to extend this right to “a child of a grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a grandchild of a Jew” A “Jew” is defined “as a person who was born of a Jewish mother or has become converted to Judaism and is not a member of another religion.”
Nationality (Citizenship) Law (1952) Confers automatic citizenship upon all who immigrate under the Law of Return. Non-Jews, including native-born Palestinians must prove residency and pass other tests; citizenship is granted at the discretion of the Minister of the Interior.
Absentee Property Law (1950) Classifies the personal property of Palestinians who fled during the Zionist terror campaign of 1947/48 as "absentee property" and places it within the power of the Custodian of Absentee Property. According to the law, even the property of Palestinians who are present within the newly created state of Israel, but are not physically present on their property ("internal refugees"), becomes "absentee property." This creates the category of "present absentees."
Land Acquisition (Validity of Acts and Compensation) Law (1953) Confiscates the land of more than 400 Palestinian villages; "validates" retroactively their use for military purposes and for Jewish settlements.
National Planning and Building Law (1965)
Creates a system of discriminatory zoning that freezes existing Arab villages while providing for the expansion of Jewish settlements. The law also re-classifies a large number of Arab villages as "non-residential" creating the "unrecognized villages." These villages do not receive basic municipal services such as water and electricity; all buildings are threatened with demolition orders.
Section 7A(1) of the Basic Law: The Knesset (1958), passed in 1985 bars a list of candidates from participation in elections to the Knesset "if its aims or actions, expressly or by implication" deny "the existence of the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish people."
The Law of Political Parties (1992) bars the Registrar of Political Parties from registering a political party if it denies "the existence of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic State."
The Israeli courts - guided by the Supreme Court - have consistently decided that discrimination between Arabs and Jews is legitimate based on the founding principles of Israel as a state for the Jewish people; "nationality" is considered a legitimate basis for discrimination.
01-03-2009, 05:55 PM
the most shameful strike...........
about an hour ago a missile hit a mosque while innocent ppl- civilians-were praying and killed several ppl of them- may God bless their souls-
i'm wondering what will they do more than this!!!!!
more than 450 ppl were killed and 2200 injured within 7 days and the numbers are increasing.
01-05-2009, 01:51 AM
It is no longer a war. It is a Massacre. Israel never want a peace from the beginning. They just wanted to destroy Palestine. So, it's no use to make any Ceasefire agreement or any other thing like that, cause they will just Violating it again. And USA support them. Really one sided. It won't stop until one nation is crushed.
IMO, Palestine need Lelouch vi Britannia to win this.
01-05-2009, 07:13 PM
The USA has not taken any official stand yet. We are not allies with Israel in any treaty also so the US is not on their side by default either.
01-05-2009, 07:34 PM
You're not official allies, but you can't deny that the US is Israels largest support, and what they could do, is to cease trade with Israel, among other things, to put some pressure on them.
"Since the 1970s, Israel has been one of the top recipients of U.S. foreign aid. While it is mostly military aid, in the past a portion was dedicated to economic assistance. In 2004, the second-largest recipient of economic foreign aid from the United States was Israel, second to . In terms of per capita value Israel ranks first"
01-05-2009, 08:55 PM
I know we've been giving them our tax dollars as well. I've been against that. I don't think the US should get involved in foreign nations. When I figured out that some of our tax dollars were going to Israel I had a wtf moment.
01-05-2009, 11:21 PM
well the UN security council tried to pass a resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire and for Israel to pull out of Gaza as everyone knows the security council resolutions are the only ones that are legally binding so UN members have to follow them. But the USA vetoed that resolution I think that's a clearly taking sides. BTW I think that it is ridiculous for the 6 permanent members of the security council to each be able to single handedly over rule the will of the majority of the UN member states. It is totally Hypocritical for an organization which promotes peace and equal right for all to have an undemocratic system at it's heart which serves to protect the interests of a select few
01-06-2009, 12:48 AM
Agreed. The peace treaty failed I think I heard while passing the TV. I hope Israel cuts this out soon. Seems like their diplomats are stalling
01-06-2009, 10:37 PM
latest from Gaza the Israelis shelled 2 UN run schools that civilians were taking shelter in killing 42. First aid volunteers workers from the the oxfam agencies have been attacked by Israeli military and lost one of their workers when the ambulance he was driving in was hit by a tank shell
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