suicide

[playa_chan]

i m not for suicide ..but i m not against it either.....
...every human has the right to decide by itself wether he wants his life or not.
and inmy opinion nobody has the right to take these right from them not even the law (in germany its illegal).
its not like the ones who suicide didnt think about their actions. Maybe its just that they think too much and realize they dont want to live in a world like this.
I have thoughts of suicide too, but i wouldnt do it . i just know that. for me my life is too precious to throw it away. but i respect the opinion of the ones who dont agree with me.

[Shi]

not a good idea unless your on war or something then I would consider it honor

[DemonGod]

i see suicide as a last resort.
i all things in life fail you, everything and everyone is against you and treating you like you're not even human and you're backed into a corner with no escape possible.
shortly you're becoming a physical and mental rack and there's now way to save you.
that's when people commit suicide. dark feelings start taking over your mind and life seems useless.
i'm neither for nor against it. people who commit it usually have no other options left.
But, I am against people who commit suicide for no real good reason at all.
those people usually do something stupid like cutting their wrist and then end up regretting it. those people are just stupid and should think stuff over in a logical way.

[Chieko]

I am pro-choice. I don't think someone should be forced to live if they don't want to. They have the right to take their lives. I beleive everyone has the right both to live and to die. But I think that you should try everything possible to not kill yourself... since suicidal ideation usually stems from mental illness you can get help for it. There are medications and counselling. But I also understand that those things don't work sometimes. Like DemonGod said, I believe suicide should be a last resort.

[Barzillal]

However not as an alternative to escape the present problems that one's life express.

[darksgt]

I've always found suicide to be a very difficult situation to help someone deal with. I have had a few friends come to me with thoughts of attempting or, in one case, already attempted but failed to go through suicide. I've found out that a lot of times a person will stop thinking of killing themselfs if they have someone to talk to and share the burden with. I know I might sound like a shrink but just acknowledging a person's problems and talking with them can do wonders. Of course you have to know if they are thinking of suicide in the first place. By this I mean Sanouske's case where he didn't see it coming and that is usually the most devastating case most people can have when it comes to suicide (BTW sorry for your loss).

As for suicide itself I believe it depends on the situation. One example where I think it's ok is say your in the army and you got in a battle with the enemy and your surrounded with everyone else in your unit is dead so at that point you know your not coming out alive. At that point I think it would be completely justified if your called a massive airstrike on your own position killing both yourself and the bastards that just killed your comrades. (BTW in my opinion that would be a damn cool way to go out, a literal 'blaze of honor'). When I don't think it's justified is if you broke up with your boyfriend/girlfriend and you feel that you can't go on so you want to kill yourself. But (yes there is a but) once again people have their own free will and can do whatever they want including ending their own life.

Ok I'm done with my rant.

[.insanity.]

It's basically self-euthanasia. You wallow in your own self-pity, and you selfishly escape from the problems that every other person faces. Notice the uses of the word SELF? Sanouske, that was an admirable post, but I've got to disagree. Those people just have emotional issues, and they seriously need help. Everybody else has got issues too, and suicide may be happening every day, but it's not coming in waves. In other words, deal with it. Ruthless, isn't it...?

[Chieko]

Originally Posted by .insanity.

It's basically self-euthanasia. You wallow in your own self-pity, and you selfishly escape from the problems that every other person faces. Notice the uses of the word SELF? Sanouske, that was an admirable post, but I've got to disagree. Those people just have emotional issues, and they seriously need help. Everybody else has got issues too, and suicide may be happening every day, but it's not coming in waves. In other words, deal with it. Ruthless, isn't it...?

You can't possible understand everone's situation. Not everyone has the same problems and I get so sick of people saying things like 'everyone goes through it'. That isn't nesscarily true. I'm not saying that people should go and kill themselves if they are having a hard time. But people don't become suicidal over some small problem. They need help, yes. But sometimes the help that is provided just isn't enough. Sometimes talk therapy and medication just don't cut it. What would you suggest people do in that situation? Just wait it out? See if something changes? I'm not pro-suicide but I am pro-choice. I think that all other options should be exhausted before you even think about suicide. There are people who have tried dozen of different kinds of medication and many therapists for many, many years. I would rather that person find a sence of peace rather than keep living just to please other people around them (this being one of the top reasons a lot of suicidal people stick around). This probably came out as a rant. The main point of this post being that you can't assume that you know what anyone else is going through. Telling a severely depressed person to just "deal with it" isn't going to help anything.

[.insanity.]

Originally Posted by Chieko

You can't possible understand everone's situation. Not everyone has the same problems and I get so sick of people saying things like 'everyone goes through it'. That isn't nesscarily true. I'm not saying that people should go and kill themselves if they are having a hard time. But people don't become suicidal over some small problem. They need help, yes. But sometimes the help that is provided just isn't enough. Sometimes talk therapy and medication just don't cut it. What would you suggest people do in that situation? Just wait it out? See if something changes? I'm not pro-suicide but I am pro-choice. I think that all other options should be exhausted before you even think about suicide. There are people who have tried dozen of different kinds of medication and many therapists for many, many years. I would rather that person find a sence of peace rather than keep living just to please other people around them (this being one of the top reasons a lot of suicidal people stick around). This probably came out as a rant. The main point of this post being that you can't assume that you know what anyone else is going through. Telling a severely depressed person to just "deal with it" isn't going to help anything.

Of course I can't, and I never said that I did. I already know that people don't suddenly go suicidal if a problem occurs; it's something that accumulates over time. People wonder why they're not happy and decide that a 'happy pill' will suddenly make them better and Prozac is their god. I understand what you mean, and that's what I was insinuating. You don't turn to suicide if you haven't even tried anything else yet. And I am going to tell suicidal people to deal with it, and they can take it any way they want to. Whether my words will spark purposeful actions within them, or power them to turn to the last resort. I definitely don't understand what the suicidal population go through. I haven't been where they have. I haven't walked the same path. But as they continue to tread through that lonely trail, do they ever think to veer off of it?

[Chieko]

How do you propose they "veer off"? It isn't that easy. You don't seem to understand it much... I don't mean that as an insult so please don't take it that way because I don't think there are a lot of people who really understand. I get severely depressed and suicidal and I can tell you right now it isn't as easy as you make it out to be. You can't just "deal" with it. It doesn't work that way. Things keep building up. You get to a point where you can't see the happiness in life anymore. Sometimes meds and counseling (pretty much the only help available right now) just aren't enough to keep someone from feeling so down and suicidal. Eventually people get sick of it all and since they can't see another way out they decide to take their own life. It just isn't as easy as saying deal with it or veer off the lonely road.