Trigun

[Yokurama]

what do you think of Trigun?
i thought it was great and i rate it 9/10, it just had a pretty deep story and it was pretty hilarious at some times.

[4l3XuS]

Yeah your right Trigun is an awesome Anime, indeed! What i also love about it are the funny parts :) Many a time he plays dumb and then suddenly turns serious and these variations are done very well.

[Sanouske]

I loved Trigun. It had serious moments, goofy moments, funny moments, violent moments, drunk moments, lol it did jump around a bit. XD That is what made it fun though. That and it had some nice action and Vash is an awsome character. =p

[otaku]

Trigun is among the top anime out there. With very good and unique storyline and interesting characters. A must-watch anime.

[Kilyle]

I adore the series, and the characterization was top-notch. I however disagree strongly with the philosophical conclusion. Vash is responsible for just about every death on the series. The villain stated his clear intention (genocide) right in front of Vash; Vash had at least two separate on-screen occasions and probably several more off-screen occasions to do something to stop him, and yet Vash did nothing to stop him. Did the series ever mention how many innocents died? Thousands? Millions? All their blood is on Vash's hands, and the series never really deals with that implication.

I allow one possible counter-argument here. If the person in Vash's shoes were, say, six, then even if he had the physical ability to kill the villain, he would probably lack the psychological ability to commit murder - and we wouldn't hold that against him, no matter what the stakes. So if Vash at the time were young enough that we can excuse him via psychology, I could buy that. I'd accept that as an excuse.

The other thing to think about is: Vash could have imprisoned, rather than killed. He had the option of doing something to physically prevent the villain from carrying out his plan of genocide that would nevertheless leave the villain alive. Assuming he was mature enough psychologically to be culpable when they parted ways, this option would have preserved his morality and still prevented the genocide. And unless there's a good reason to reject this plan, I'd say Vash is even more guilty on account of this point, because it essentially nullifies the conflict between moral actions.

I haven't read much Ayn Rand, but I appreciate one point of hers that has stuck with me: Assuming the ethical thing to do is to cause the greatest good for the greatest number (subject to some other considerations, of course), the "greatest number" only accounts for what I shall here call "Rational Beings." When you initiate violence against another Rational Being, you automatically take yourself out of the group, making you a non-Rational Being. And while some of your rights still need to be considered, you are no longer equal in rights to a Rational Being.

Thusly, if you have two people, Innocent Bystander and Violent Criminal, and you have to choose among various options that will affect the welfare of both, and for whatever reason your options have been limited to options that harm one or both of them, you must choose an option that harms Violent Criminal - or even kills him. It is far more important to save and protect Innocent Bystander than it is to save and protect Violent Criminal, because Violent Criminal has already proven himself to be a non-Rational Being and taken himself out of the "greatest good for the greatest number" equation.

Other takes on this problem? I'd love to hear them.

P.S. Wolfwood's defining moment near the end of the series, wherein he sees someone threatening to kill Vash and kills the someone instead. Yes, it's tragic. I fully accept that. He still did the right thing, given the information he had at the time. He has nothing to feel guilty over, although it's fine to mourn the tragedy of it all. Caveat: Knowing that Vash would rather die that kill, would rather die than let others be killed (even villains), Wolfwood might best have let Vash be shot rather than kill to save him - but he might have had to kill anyway to save the girls.

[cmcloyd]

two words, TRIGUN ROCKS! nuff said!

[monta_magic]

agree with u trigun rocks

[BIGtool]

I just recenally finished watching trigun, and like so many before me i thought it rocked!!!!!

It has a great mixture of serious and funny, with a solid story line. And while you can debate until the cows come home about wether Vash was right to not kill all those people, it adds a diffferent element to the anime which i have not seen since.

[CJSchen]

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Originally Posted by Kilyle

I adore the series, and the characterization was top-notch. I however disagree strongly with the philosophical conclusion. Vash is responsible for just about every death on the series. The villain stated his clear intention (genocide) right in front of Vash; Vash had at least two separate on-screen occasions and probably several more off-screen occasions to do something to stop him, and yet Vash did nothing to stop him. Did the series ever mention how many innocents died? Thousands? Millions? All their blood is on Vash's hands, and the series never really deals with that implication.

I allow one possible counter-argument here. If the person in Vash's shoes were, say, six, then even if he had the physical ability to kill the villain, he would probably lack the psychological ability to commit murder - and we wouldn't hold that against him, no matter what the stakes. So if Vash at the time were young enough that we can excuse him via psychology, I could buy that. I'd accept that as an excuse.

The other thing to think about is: Vash could have imprisoned, rather than killed. He had the option of doing something to physically prevent the villain from carrying out his plan of genocide that would nevertheless leave the villain alive. Assuming he was mature enough psychologically to be culpable when they parted ways, this option would have preserved his morality and still prevented the genocide. And unless there's a good reason to reject this plan, I'd say Vash is even more guilty on account of this point, because it essentially nullifies the conflict between moral actions.

I haven't read much Ayn Rand, but I appreciate one point of hers that has stuck with me: Assuming the ethical thing to do is to cause the greatest good for the greatest number (subject to some other considerations, of course), the "greatest number" only accounts for what I shall here call "Rational Beings." When you initiate violence against another Rational Being, you automatically take yourself out of the group, making you a non-Rational Being. And while some of your rights still need to be considered, you are no longer equal in rights to a Rational Being.

Thusly, if you have two people, Innocent Bystander and Violent Criminal, and you have to choose among various options that will affect the welfare of both, and for whatever reason your options have been limited to options that harm one or both of them, you must choose an option that harms Violent Criminal - or even kills him. It is far more important to save and protect Innocent Bystander than it is to save and protect Violent Criminal, because Violent Criminal has already proven himself to be a non-Rational Being and taken himself out of the "greatest good for the greatest number" equation.

Other takes on this problem? I'd love to hear them.

P.S. Wolfwood's defining moment near the end of the series, wherein he sees someone threatening to kill Vash and kills the someone instead. Yes, it's tragic. I fully accept that. He still did the right thing, given the information he had at the time. He has nothing to feel guilty over, although it's fine to mourn the tragedy of it all. Caveat: Knowing that Vash would rather die that kill, would rather die than let others be killed (even villains), Wolfwood might best have let Vash be shot rather than kill to save him - but he might have had to kill anyway to save the girls.

The show constantly how Vash tears himself up over every death, whether he caused it or not.

In the end he had no choice but to kill Knives. Because of their longevity, containment was not an option. Also, he realized it sometimes it's alright to kill, if done for the "right" reasons. Etc Etc. I could go on but I'm too tired.

Lastly, Trigun MOVIE!

[LizarazuHLE]

i say.. trigun movie ;))

i like this anime because Vash the Stampede is also so funny.. and all serial story is quite camptivTING YOU. my favourite character remains Nicholas D. Wolfwood. He and Vash meet in the desert when Vash's bus runs across Nicholas' motorcycle. He proves to be a valuable ally, but sometimes Vash and Wolfwood's philosophies conflict. In the end, he comes over to Vash's way of thinking, even though he was associated with Knives the whole time. Nicholas' purpose is to raise money for children at an orphanage he runs. Wolfwood's weapon is a cross that is kept covered for the most part, but it does pack a mighty punch. One arm of the cross hides six handguns, the other stores the ammunition for the built in machine gun revealed in the long stem side, and the short stem houses a fairly powerful rocket launcher. It is extremely heavy, and it seems that only he, Vash, and Milly are capable of lifting it easily. When asked why it's so heavy he replies, "That's because it's so full of mercy!" :)) .
He brings himself to Vashes way of thinking at the end of the series, which ultimately leads to his downfall. :)