No More OT Posts From Me

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:30:31 -0400, "Blade" <kumonryuu@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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>"Rob Kelk" <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote in message
>news:48a966c9.2185796@news.individual.net...[color=green]
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:37:33 -0400, "Blade" <kumonryuu@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Blade
>>>(...and who fricking cares if someone calls it a forum?)[/color]
>>
>> I do.
>>
>> (Who cares if Tarou is replaced by Ukyo in that picture? You do. We
>> all have little things that annoy us.)[/color]
>
>That Viz altered a picture to put on a box set that didn't include the
>character removed doesn't annoy me in the slightest. I want to find the
>original picture to possess it as a collector, and have for some years. You
>are comparing apples and oranges, and really, I would've thought better of
>you.[/color]

Chris, I've heard you rant about Tarou being removed from that
particular picture. Perhaps it doesn't annoy you now, but it did then.
That, or you successfully faked being annoyed.
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>"Forum" is a word, and as has been pointed out repeatedly, its English
>definition would indeed include a USENET newsgroup. Now, a "webforum" is
>something else again. But in either case, is it really worth people getting
>cranky over?[/color]

I've already admitted it's a little thing. That doesn't make it any
less annoying to me. (If everybody was rational all the time, there
wouldn't be anywhere near as many flamewars on Usenet...)

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"Rob Kelk" <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote in message
news:48a966c9.2185796@news.individual.net...[color=blue]
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:37:33 -0400, "Blade" <kumonryuu@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
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>>Blade
>>(...and who fricking cares if someone calls it a forum?)[/color]
>
> I do.
>
> (Who cares if Tarou is replaced by Ukyo in that picture? You do. We
> all have little things that annoy us.)[/color]

Umm, you guys, who insist that "forum" (as defined in the english language)
can not be used for a newsgroup are the ones replacing Tarou. The language
was the original picture. Your absurd insistance that we revise the
language to fit the will of some people who made web board software, is the
edit.

In short, no you can't have the english language, to do as you will. You
may certainly use it, but you can't re-define it.

Actually, I'd love to have elsie's take on this.

"Rob Kelk" <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote in message
news:48a96d9e.3935515@news.individual.net...[color=blue]
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:30:31 -0400, "Blade" <kumonryuu@hotmail.com>
> wrote:[color=green]
>>That Viz altered a picture to put on a box set that didn't include the
>>character removed doesn't annoy me in the slightest. I want to find the
>>original picture to possess it as a collector, and have for some years.
>>You
>>are comparing apples and oranges, and really, I would've thought better of
>>you.[/color]
>
> Chris, I've heard you rant about Tarou being removed from that
> particular picture. Perhaps it doesn't annoy you now, but it did then.
> That, or you successfully faked being annoyed.[/color]

I think you are misremembering or taking a humorous reaction for a real one,
since it would be self-evidently idiotic to be annoyed about Viz removing
Tarou from the picture, considering Tarou doesn't exist in the OAVs.

I have been annoyed that I cannot find a clean copy of a completely
different Tarou picture (the one from the Hard Battle game, present in
obscured format on the Viz Demon From Jyusenkyo DVD), but that again would
not be being annoyed at Viz, only at my inability to find a picture.

It is, no matter how you look at it, completely different than being annoyed
about a perceived misusage of a word. In fact, since I was annoyed about
misusage of a word here not so long ago, it boggles me why you didn't bring
that up if you really wanted a comparison (though I don't consider them the
same situation), rather than bringing up my annoyance over being unable to
find two obscure pictures of a favourite character. As well bring up my
being annoyed if a bus is late - what relevence does it have?
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>>"Forum" is a word, and as has been pointed out repeatedly, its English
>>definition would indeed include a USENET newsgroup. Now, a "webforum" is
>>something else again. But in either case, is it really worth people
>>getting
>>cranky over?[/color]
>
> I've already admitted it's a little thing. That doesn't make it any
> less annoying to me. (If everybody was rational all the time, there
> wouldn't be anywhere near as many flamewars on Usenet...)[/color]

Agreed, but you didn't address the central point - the word "forum", in
English, covers a USENET newsgroup just fine. Provided it's not called a
"webforum", I cannot see why that's considered in any way inaccurate, all
questions as to the importance of accurate usage aside.

-
Blade

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:19:40 -0700 (PDT), SpaceGirl
<nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote:
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>On Aug 18, 1:12=C2=A0pm, robk...@deadspam.com (Rob Kelk) wrote:[color=green]
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:37:33 -0400, "Blade" <kumonr...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>[color=darkred]
>> >Blade
>> >(...and who fricking cares if someone calls it a forum?)[/color]
>>
>> I do.
>>
>> (Who cares if Tarou is replaced by Ukyo in that picture? =C2=A0You do. =[/color]
>=C2=A0We[color=green]
>> all have little things that annoy us.)[/color]
>
>*sigh* get over yourself :)
>
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> Pronunciation Key - Show
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>=94r=C9=99, =CB=88fo=CA=8Ar=C9=99/
>Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fawr-uh, fohr-uh]
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>1. the marketplace or public square of an ancient Roman city, the
>center of judicial and business affairs and a place of assembly for
>the people.
>2. a court or tribunal: the forum of public opinion.
>3. an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the
>discussion of questions of public interest.
>4. the Forum, the forum in the ancient city of Rome.[/color]

If we're going to go the dictionary route:


Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This

an·i·me /?æn??me?/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[an-uh-mey] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
a Japanese style of motion-picture animation, characterized by highly
stylized, colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sexuality.
[Origin: 1985–90; < Japn, borrowing of E animation]


Webster's New Millennium™ Dictionary of English - Cite This Source -
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Main Entry: anime
Part of Speech: n
Definition: See Japanimation


If you were to try *using* either of those definitions here, you'd get
flamed.

Just because it's in a dictionary doesn't make it right.

Folks, you're not going to convince me that a specialized term can be
used as a general term. I doubt I'm going to convince you that it is a
specialized term. And this *is* off-topic... Can we agree to disagree,
remembering that this particular use of "forum" does annoy me for what
some but not all folks appear to think is a silly reason, and let the
matter drop?

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"They were engaged in a calm and dignified discussion of important
issues of the day. No, wait, that was somebody else. *These* two
were all but screaming at each other at the tops of their lungs."
- from "Drunkard's Walk V/Oh My Brother II"

Rob Kelk wrote:
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> Folks, you're not going to convince me that a specialized term can be
> used as a general term. I doubt I'm going to convince you that it is a
> specialized term. And this *is* off-topic... Can we agree to disagree,
> remembering that this particular use of "forum" does annoy me for what
> some but not all folks appear to think is a silly reason, and let the
> matter drop?
>[/color]

Okay :) Well it was an interesting discussion anyway, but I'm happy to
move on!


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SpaceGirl wrote:[color=blue]
> Rob Kelk wrote:
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>> Folks, you're not going to convince me that a specialized term can be
>> used as a general term.[/color][/color]

FORUM is an old, old word ("A Funny Thing Happened On The Way to the
Forum". It IS a general term for a location for discussion. Not only
does it pre-date computers, it pre-dates the Christian Era. Any argument
that it isn't a general term simply proves you wrong.
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>> I doubt I'm going to convince you that it is a
>> specialized term.[/color][/color]

For the obvious and inevitable reason that it is not. You are defending
a specialized *USAGE* of the term, but the term itself is vastly more
general, and even in the context of electronic media has long been used
in a much more general fashion. As witness the fact that I was, along
with many other people, using the term "forum" before the World Wide Web
*EXISTED* to describe things like BBS's, Usenet, etc.

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>> And this *is* off-topic...[/color][/color]

Hurrah!
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>> Can we agree to disagree,
>> remembering that this particular use of "forum" does annoy me for what
>> some but not all folks appear to think is a silly reason, and let the
>> matter drop?[/color][/color]

On this particular forum, no matter is ever allowed to drop.
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>>[/color]
>
> Okay :) Well it was an interesting discussion anyway, but I'm happy to
> move on![/color]

Bah. Weaklings. In MY day we'd spend WEEKS arguing over trivial details
of posting etiquette and we were HAPPY that way!



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In article <g8ct4v$6qs$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
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> SpaceGirl wrote:[color=green]
> >
> > Okay :) Well it was an interesting discussion anyway, but I'm happy to
> > move on![/color]
>
> Bah. Weaklings. In MY day we'd spend WEEKS arguing over trivial details
> of posting etiquette and we were HAPPY that way![/color]

No we weren't...

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"Rob Kelk" <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:19:40 -0700 (PDT), SpaceGirl
> <nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote:[/color]

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> If you were to try *using* either of those definitions here, you'd get
> flamed.
>
> Just because it's in a dictionary doesn't make it right.[/color]

Thank you, Cheshire Cat.

Now that we've tossed out all reference material as possible sources to
resolve the question, I guess we're left to duels at twenty paces?

Just because it's in the dictionary doesn't make it wrong.
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> Folks, you're not going to convince me that a specialized term can be
> used as a general term. I doubt I'm going to convince you that it is a[/color]

Probably because many of us were using it long before most of America ever
heard of the internet.
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> specialized term. And this *is* off-topic... Can we agree to disagree,
> remembering that this particular use of "forum" does annoy me for what
> some but not all folks appear to think is a silly reason, and let the
> matter drop?[/color]

Sorry, Rob, but you do NOT get to make your arguments, and then suggest we
drop it. If you wanted the matter dropped, you shouldn't have kept
debating.

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:29:30 -0400, "sanjian" <mungkb@vt.edu> wrote:
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>"Rob Kelk" <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote in message
>news:48a9e2e2.643140@news.individual.net...[color=green]
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:19:40 -0700 (PDT), SpaceGirl
>> <nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote:[/color]
>
>[color=green]
>> If you were to try *using* either of those definitions here, you'd get
>> flamed.
>>
>> Just because it's in a dictionary doesn't make it right.[/color]
>
>Thank you, Cheshire Cat.
>
>Now that we've tossed out all reference material as possible sources to
>resolve the question, I guess we're left to duels at twenty paces?
>
>Just because it's in the dictionary doesn't make it wrong.
>[color=green]
>> Folks, you're not going to convince me that a specialized term can be
>> used as a general term. I doubt I'm going to convince you that it is a[/color]
>
>Probably because many of us were using it long before most of America ever
>heard of the internet.
>[color=green]
>> specialized term. And this *is* off-topic... Can we agree to disagree,
>> remembering that this particular use of "forum" does annoy me for what
>> some but not all folks appear to think is a silly reason, and let the
>> matter drop?[/color]
>
>Sorry, Rob, but you do NOT get to make your arguments, and then suggest we
>drop it. If you wanted the matter dropped, you shouldn't have kept
>debating.[/color]

Do you seriously expect that you're going to be able to change my mind?
If you really want to waste time and bandwidth trying, please take it to
e-mail.

Followups set to "poster" - mind the spamblock.

sanjian wrote:[color=blue]
> "Rob Kelk" <robkelk@deadspam.com> wrote in message
> news:48a9e2e2.643140@news.individual.net...[color=green]
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:19:40 -0700 (PDT), SpaceGirl
>> <nothespacegirlspam@subhuman.net> wrote:[/color]
>
>[color=green]
>> If you were to try *using* either of those definitions here, you'd get
>> flamed.
>>
>> Just because it's in a dictionary doesn't make it right.[/color]
>
> Thank you, Cheshire Cat.[/color]

Humpty-Dumpty, actually.



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