One Piece?

In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803301328490.30605@uofr.net>,
"S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <LostRune+NGs@UofR.SlamSpam.net> wrote:
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> Sun, 30 Mar 2008 2:39am-0400, Captain Nerd <cptnerd@nerdwatch.com>:
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> > In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803300115090.30605@uofr.net>,
> > "S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <LostRune+NGs@UofR.SlamSpam.net> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Sat, 29 Mar 2008 9:45pm-0400, Relic <relic1980@ameritech.net>:
> > >
> > > > I also noticed that the Friday night Adult Swim anime lineup
> > > > got replaced with their own programming last night.
> > > > Can't even throw their anime watchers a bone, huh?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Maybe anime watchers aren't living up to their side of the Neilsen.[/color]
> >
> > Actually it means that not enough Neilsen raters are anime watchers.
> >
> > Technically speaking, of course.
> >[/color]
>
> Well, that's how it's supposed to work, doesn't it?
> Neilsens are supposed to cover the broad demographic,
> not aim for specific groups. ^_^
>
> I mean, if only 1% of the population watches anime on ad TV,
> then among Neilsen raters, anime watchers should also be 1%.
> It shouldn't be 10% just because they're anime watchers.[/color]

No, that's not the point I was trying to make. My point is
that it doesn't matter how much or how little we non-Neilsen
people watch a program, it doesn't affect the "real" popularity
as measured. That can be frustrating. Of course, sometimes
a network deliberately tries to skew the ratings of programs
they bought but want to replace by not supporting the shows
with advertising, and not having consistent showings to help
build ratings (*cough*Firefly*cough**coughFoxBastar*cough)

Cap.

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Sun, 30 Mar 2008 4:01pm-0400, Captain Nerd <cptnerd@nerdwatch.com>:
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> In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803301328490.30605@uofr.net>,
> "S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <LostRune+NGs@UofR.SlamSpam.net> wrote:
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> > Sun, 30 Mar 2008 2:39am-0400, Captain Nerd <cptnerd@nerdwatch.com>:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803300115090.30605@uofr.net>,
> > > "S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <LostRune+NGs@UofR.SlamSpam.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sat, 29 Mar 2008 9:45pm-0400, Relic <relic1980@ameritech.net>:
> > > >
> > > > > I also noticed that the Friday night Adult Swim anime lineup
> > > > > got replaced with their own programming last night.
> > > > > Can't even throw their anime watchers a bone, huh?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Maybe anime watchers aren't living up to their side of the Neilsen.
> > >
> > > Actually it means that not enough Neilsen raters are anime watchers.
> > >
> > > Technically speaking, of course.
> > >[/color]
> >
> > Well, that's how it's supposed to work, doesn't it?
> > Neilsens are supposed to cover the broad demographic,
> > not aim for specific groups. ^_^
> >
> > I mean, if only 1% of the population watches anime on ad TV,
> > then among Neilsen raters, anime watchers should also be 1%.
> > It shouldn't be 10% just because they're anime watchers.[/color]
>
> No, that's not the point I was trying to make. My point is
> that it doesn't matter how much or how little we non-Neilsen
> people watch a program, it doesn't affect the "real" popularity
> as measured. That can be frustrating. Of course, sometimes
>[/color]

Well, it doesn't matter to you or me, but it does matter
to those Neilsen people who are anime watchers.
Personally, it can be frustrating, but as a collective, it's ok.
IIRC, there are just about 25000 Neilsen households,
though that's still a good sample as polls go
(e.g. political polls are only about 1000 people or less).
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>
> a network deliberately tries to skew the ratings of programs
> they bought but want to replace by not supporting the shows
> with advertising, and not having consistent showings to help
> build ratings (*cough*Firefly*cough**coughFoxBastar*cough)
>[/color]

IIRC, Fox did to the same to Futurama and Family Guy,
but their audience still supported them,
enough so their audience got them back on TV.

Laters. =)

Stan
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S.t.A.n.L.e.E wrote:[color=blue]
> Sun, 30 Mar 2008 4:01pm-0400, Captain Nerd <cptnerd@nerdwatch.com>:
>[/color]

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>>>
>>> I mean, if only 1% of the population watches anime on ad TV,
>>> then among Neilsen raters, anime watchers should also be 1%.
>>> It shouldn't be 10% just because they're anime watchers.[/color]
>> No, that's not the point I was trying to make. My point is
>> that it doesn't matter how much or how little we non-Neilsen
>> people watch a program, it doesn't affect the "real" popularity
>> as measured. That can be frustrating. Of course, sometimes
>>[/color]
>
> Well, it doesn't matter to you or me, but it does matter
> to those Neilsen people who are anime watchers.
> Personally, it can be frustrating, but as a collective, it's ok.
> IIRC, there are just about 25000 Neilsen households,
> though that's still a good sample as polls go
> (e.g. political polls are only about 1000 people or less).
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>> a network deliberately tries to skew the ratings of programs
>> they bought but want to replace by not supporting the shows
>> with advertising, and not having consistent showings to help
>> build ratings (*cough*Firefly*cough**coughFoxBastar*cough)
>>[/color]
>
> IIRC, Fox did to the same to Futurama and Family Guy,
> but their audience still supported them,
> enough so their audience got them back on TV.[/color]

With perhaps a little help from an outfit called Cartoon Network...

Just my two bits.

DBB

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 1:05am-0600, DBBrandell <NoSuchUser@NoSuchAccount.net>:
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> S.t.A.n.L.e.E wrote:[color=green]
> > Sun, 30 Mar 2008 4:01pm-0400, Captain Nerd <cptnerd@nerdwatch.com>:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> a network deliberately tries to skew the ratings of programs
> >> they bought but want to replace by not supporting the shows
> >> with advertising, and not having consistent showings to help
> >> build ratings (*cough*Firefly*cough**coughFoxBastar*cough)
> >>[/color]
> >
> > IIRC, Fox did to the same to Futurama and Family Guy,
> > but their audience still supported them,
> > enough so their audience got them back on TV.[/color]
>
> With perhaps a little help from an outfit called Cartoon Network...
>
> Just my two bits.
>[/color]

Yep, not only did they change times and days but also channels;
yet their fans still followed.
If Neilsen anime watchers are as dedicated....

Laters. =)

Stan
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S.t.A.n.L.e.E wrote on [Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:26:43 -0400]:[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> a network deliberately tries to skew the ratings of programs
>> they bought but want to replace by not supporting the shows
>> with advertising, and not having consistent showings to help
>> build ratings (*cough*Firefly*cough**coughFoxBastar*cough)
>>[/color]
>
> IIRC, Fox did to the same to Futurama and Family Guy,
> but their audience still supported them,
> enough so their audience got them back on TV.[/color]

Unfortunately for the real world, sets cost a lot of money, so even if a
live action show has the fan support, it won't come back anywhere near
as inexpensively as an animation.

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:48:33 -0700 (PDT), EBelcher <shiruss@aol.com>
wrote:
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>On Mar 29, 10:02?pm, "Dave Baranyi"
><a_nospam.b_nospam@sym_nos_p_am_atico.ca> wrote:[color=green]
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>> > I'm thinking it got replaced with Bakugan -
>> > which is a shounen fight-by-proxy show.[/color]
>>
>> I skipped that one when it first came out last year. Was it as bad as it
>> looked like it would be?
>>
>> Dave Baranyi[/color]
>It was OK but nothing special,the English dubbed version is good and
>is also on Teletoon in Canada.[/color]

Those shows are so "cookie-cutter" that my kids never show any
interest in them. Once you've seen Yugi-Oh and Beyblade these types
of anime become too predictable.

My kids rush home to see Clash of the Titans and Chaotic. While
Chaotic is starting to advertise trading cards, I like how the show
plays down the card aspect and concentrates on the characters that the
cards represent. The show is a lot of fun and I'll usually watch it
with my kids. They also really enjoy the classic Bugs Bunny cartoons
of late (bless their hearts <g>).

Funi's One Piece hasn't been picked up in Canada yet, but it's
possible that CN just ran out of new shows and is waiting for Funi to
dub more. I'm curious to hear the new voices. My daughter and I are
watching the Water7 arc and she immediately noticed when Chopper's
seiyu was replaced due to illness. Like me, she's become very much
accustomed to the original voices. I don't see the show becoming a
big hit over here though. It seems to be targeted at a broader
audience in Japan, while in North America it's toned down for a
younger audience. The high drama at the end of Skypia, and
particularly in Water7, is rather intense for a young North American
audience, but now that the show has been targeted at that age group,
they would have a harder time convincing older kids to watch it even
though they would probably be more likely to find the later episodes
more interesting. Too bad they didn't benefit from the Pirates of the
Caribbean craze.

--Edwin E.

On Mar 31, 4:19*am, "S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <LostRune+...@UofR.SlamSpam.net>
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> Mon, 31 Mar 2008 1:05am-0600, DBBrandell <NoSuchU...@NoSuchAccount.net>:
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> > S.t.A.n.L.e.E wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > Sun, 30 Mar 2008 4:01pm-0400, Captain Nerd <cptn...@nerdwatch.com>:[/color][/color]
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> > >> * *a network deliberately tries to skew the ratings of programs
> > >> * *they bought but want to replace by not supporting the shows
> > >> * *with advertising, and not having consistent showings to help
> > >> * *build ratings (*cough*Firefly*cough**coughFoxBastar*cough)[/color][/color]
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> > > IIRC, Fox did to the same to Futurama and Family Guy,
> > > but their audience still supported them,
> > > enough so their audience got them back on TV.[/color][/color]
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> > With perhaps a little help from an outfit called Cartoon Network...[/color]
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> > Just my two bits.[/color]
>
> Yep, not only did they change times and days but also channels;
> yet their fans still followed.
> If Neilsen anime watchers are as dedicated....[/color]

In fairness, Family Guy DVDs also sold through the roof. That gave
Seth McFarlane a bit more leverage than the Neilsen numbers they got
when the show was being perpetually moved and cancelled.

My dad and brother were fans and they kept STUMBLING onto (rather than
setting aside time to watch) it.

Terrence Briggs, wonding if someone will STUMBLE onto Jane & the
Dragon someday
Peace to you...