(OT) And, In Conclusion -- Star Wars - The Clone Wars

I don't want to change the topic of this thread ( because I think we're
making some good points on both sides of the issue ), but can somebody
tell me just what the 'moderated' part of r.a.a.m. means? I know I'm
relatively green, but shouldn't we have a moderator rattling around here
somewhere? Isn't this the kind of thing that moderators moderate?



It just occurred to me that in the months I've been here, I don't recall
any posts from any such person.....have I just missed them, or are we
between moderators right now?

Dave Baranyi wrote:[color=blue]
> "Pete Holland Jr." <peterg@uti.com> wrote in message
> news:80a37e9d-6b8f-4b34-b37e-eb0df5dc3ed4@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>[color=green]
>> // The point is not the quality of Pete's reviews - the point is that
>> Pete
>> // reviews non-anime the majority of the time. I would like to see
>> more
>> // reviews of anime movies from Pete and other folks here. Off-Topic
>> // reviews will always be best located in venues where they are not
>> // off-topic.
>>
>> I was originally going to let your thread die out, but I will simply
>> state my case. There's no point in a discussion, you've stated your
>> position and we will obviously never see eye to eye on this, so in the
>> interest of balance, I will establish mine. Agree with it or disagree
>> with it, your choice.
>>
>> Strap on your helmet, we're going in.
>>
>> First of all, this board is for things of interest to anime fans, and
>> Star Wars and animation in general are definitely of interest to anime
>> fans, or at least the anime fans here,
>>[/color]
>
> I'm curious as to how you came to that conclusion; "...definitely of
> interest to anime fans, or at least the anime fans here..." That is a very
> strong statement. How do you support it?
>
>[color=green]
>> so while it was off topic, it
>> wasn't as off topic as if I wrote about, say, making jambalaya. There
>> are other boards where the terms of what is discussed are subject to
>> far more stringent standards (this is precisely the reason I hang out
>> on this board instead of the others). I would suggest that, if the
>> casual nature of the topics here is problematic, you go to the regular
>> rec.arts.anime or find a moderated forum that dovetails with your
>> interests. Likewise, if you are primarily interested in essay-type
>> reviews, there are websites, magazines, and electronic publications,
>> free and paid for, that have plenty of material. The freewheeling
>> nature of the topics is what makes this forum so popular.
>>
>>[/color]
>
> My interests are in the discussion of anime. That's why I come to r.a.a.m. .
> I'd be very interested to hear from other folks at r.a.a.m. as to why they
> come here, and how many come here to read off-topic discussions.
>[/color]
I am reading and replying here for the anime discussion and to a
lesser extent any mention
of manga. I subscribe to rec.arts.manga for a similar purpose.
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> Expecting people from here to subscribe to another Usenet channel just
>> to follow my writing someplace where it is on topic is unduly
>> burdensome because, in some of these environments, the noise is too
>> loud. I've tried writing to the movie discussion groups, but there
>> are so many posts (and I feel many of them miss the point), that
>> following a discussion there is not worth the effort. It's harder to
>> talk in a room of shouting people.
>>[/color]
>
> So are you saying that you post off-topic in r.a.a.m. because you find it
> easier to get a response to your off-topic posts than you do in on-topic
> forums? I don't think that is something that I would personally be proud of.
>
>[color=green]
>> And just thinking that I can talk
>> in a separate area and people from this board will rush to join it
>> just to read my opinions is absurdly laughable.
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

Why does he want people from raam and ram to read his reviews of a very
non-Japanese animation? And I read his review but see no point to posting
here when there are other groups that are devoted to US animation.
Unless it
shows up free on broadcast TV I will never see it. I put my entertainment
money into anime and manga. I do read a lot of library books as well
including (strangely ?) American & UK graphic novels such as the
Powers series, Kev series and Juicy Mother. I don't review them in ram
though.
[color=blue]
> If people like how you write, they will go to where you write it. Look at
> Professor "Elsie's" blog for an example.
>
>[color=green]
>> Second, Star Wars would tangentially qualify for discussion here. The
>> first film, New Hope, borrowed elements from the Japanese movie "The
>> Hidden Fortress" (Vader even references the movie in one of his
>> lines), and live action Japanese media is fair game here. Also, the
>> art director has said his aim was for anime-style art, so their goal
>> makes it fair game. People here discuss American attempts at anime.
>> I've seen discussions about Winx Club, Totally Spies, Avatar, and so
>> on.
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Just because other people go off topic it doesn't make it more legitimate.
>
>[color=green]
>> Third, if anime is the only qualifier to discuss on this board, the
>> subjects narrow dramatically.
>>[/color]
>
> That's what it is supposed to be - this is "rec.arts.anime.misc", not
> "rec.arts.misc.and-the-occasional-bit-of-anime".
>[/color]

Hear! Hear![color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> For example, people catching up with
>> their friends here and talking about what's new in their lives would
>> also be considered off topic. I once wrote here, "It's so ironic, it
>> could cure pernicious anemia all by itself," and was taken to task for
>> my misunderstanding. I absolutely deserved it, but by the criteria
>> you are suggesting, no one should have said anything about it. Manga
>> and anime share their art style and story subjects, but they are still
>> separated by their media, print versus electronic. It is picking a
>> nit, but it can be argued that this is anime, not manga, and manga has
>> no place in the discussions here. And if you say anime is inspired by
>> manga, so manga is allowed, that opens up the discussions again.
>>
>>[/color]
>
> In what way is reference to manga that spawned anime, or manga that were
> spawned by anime, off-topic in an anime newsgroup?
>
>[color=green]
>> Finally, there are plenty of on topic discussions here already. If
>> you don't feel there are enough, then don't wait for someone else to
>> start a discussion. Throw out some topics to get people talking, like
>> when I asked which vehicle was better, the Mach 5 or the Mark III.
>> Ask for opinions about an anime you are interested in watching, like I
>> did about Inu Yasha. And if no one responds to something you wrote,
>> come up with something more interesting. If off topic bothers you,
>> just ignore it. I've said my reviews are opinion and not binding
>> arbitration -- you are not obligated to see or like a movie based on
>> my say-so. Likewise, you are not obligated to read posts my posts,
>> and you can use any criteria you choose, be it off topic or you
>> disagree with me too much or you don't like me using my name instead
>> of a handle or whatever, to reject it. If you can't just ignore a
>> thread going in a direction you don't like, then put OT and/or whoever
>> it is that is bugging you in your twit filter. So lately I've written
>> more about non-anime stuff than anime stuff. Well, that's what's
>> grabbing my interest at the moment.
>>[/color]
>
> Fishing is grabbing my interest at this time. I've actually caught many of
> the species of fish that are caught by the characters in the various
> episodes of the "Tsuribaka" anime. Does that make a discussion of the last
> bass that I caught on-topic here at r.a.a.m.? Of course not, and it never
> will. But "Tsuribaka" is a legitimate anime, based upon a long-running and
> popular manga series, that spawned at least a dozen live action movies.
> Never-the-less, discussions of fishing, even in the context of Tsuribaka,
> are and always will be off-topic in r.a.a.m. and absolutely should be.
>
>[color=green]
>> Give me time, and I'll be tipping
>> the scales the other way again, but it'll be when I've found something
>> interesting that I want to talk about.
>>[/color]
>
> Okay, here is your chance - what anime are you currently following - new,
> old or whatever?
>
> Dave Baranyi
>
>
>[/color]
Thanks for your defense of Anime space.


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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT), "Pete Holland Jr."
<peterg@uti.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>// The point is not the quality of Pete's reviews - the point is that
>Pete
>// reviews non-anime the majority of the time. I would like to see
>more
>// reviews of anime movies from Pete and other folks here. Off-Topic
>// reviews will always be best located in venues where they are not
>// off-topic.
>
>I was originally going to let your thread die out, but I will simply
>state my case. There's no point in a discussion, you've stated your
>position and we will obviously never see eye to eye on this, so in the
>interest of balance, I will establish mine. Agree with it or disagree
>with it, your choice.
>
>Strap on your helmet, we're going in.
>
>First of all, this board[/color]

Aargh! You just pushed one of my hot buttons.

This is not a "board". This is a "group". There are underlying
technical differences. (For example, a board can only be accessed from
one particular server, while a group is distributed and mirrored amongst
dozens of publicly-accessable servers.)
[color=blue]
> is for things of interest to anime fans, and
>Star Wars and animation in general are definitely of interest to anime
>fans, or at least the anime fans here, so while it was off topic, it
>wasn't as off topic as if I wrote about, say, making jambalaya.[/color]

However, it's more on-topic in rec.arts.animation than it is in
rec.arts.anime.misc - that's something to take into account, too.
[color=blue]
> There
>are other boards where the terms of what is discussed are subject to
>far more stringent standards (this is precisely the reason I hang out
>on this board instead of the others). I would suggest that, if the
>casual nature of the topics here is problematic, you go to the regular
>rec.arts.anime[/color]

rec.arts.anime is dead. Has been for years, except on poorly-configured
Usenet servers (that don't get a lot of propogation for the group).
[color=blue]
> or find a moderated forum[/color]

There's that hot button again... This isn't a "forum", either. (Forums
are things on the World-Wide Web, while groups are things on Usenet.
They're two completely different physical structures that both just
happen to use the Internet for communications.)
[color=blue]
> that dovetails with your
>interests. Likewise, if you are primarily interested in essay-type
>reviews, there are websites, magazines, and electronic publications,
>free and paid for, that have plenty of material. The freewheeling
>nature of the topics is what makes this forum so popular.[/color]

*twitch*

Actually, what makes this group so popular is the focus on anime and
anime fans.

[color=blue]
>Expecting people from here to subscribe to another Usenet channel[/color]

Hot-button push again... <sigh> "Usenet group" is the only correct
name. Not "board", not "forum", not "channel", not "BBS", not "chat"...
[color=blue]
> just
>to follow my writing someplace where it is on topic is unduly
>burdensome because, in some of these environments, the noise is too
>loud.[/color]

So you'd rather make the noise in this group louder? That adds to the
overall problem.
[color=blue]
> I've tried writing to the movie discussion groups, but there
>are so many posts (and I feel many of them miss the point), that
>following a discussion there is not worth the effort. It's harder to
>talk in a room of shouting people.[/color]

Which is why Dave objected to you "shouting" in the first place.
[color=blue]
> And just thinking that I can talk
>in a separate area and people from this board[/color]

*twitch*
[color=blue]
> will rush to join it
>just to read my opinions is absurdly laughable.
>
>Second, Star Wars would tangentially qualify for discussion here. The
>first film, New Hope, borrowed elements from the Japanese movie "The
>Hidden Fortress" (Vader even references the movie in one of his
>lines), and live action Japanese media is fair game here. Also, the
>art director has said his aim was for anime-style art, so their goal
>makes it fair game. People here discuss American attempts at anime.
>I've seen discussions about Winx Club, Totally Spies, Avatar, and so
>on.[/color]

And I've see people complain about discussion about Winx Club, Totally
Spies, Avatar, and so on here. They're on-topic over at
rec.arts.animation

[color=blue]
>Third, if anime is the only qualifier to discuss on this board, the
>subjects narrow dramatically. For example, people catching up with
>their friends here and talking about what's new in their lives would
>also be considered off topic. I once wrote here, "It's so ironic, it
>could cure pernicious anemia all by itself," and was taken to task for
>my misunderstanding. I absolutely deserved it, but by the criteria
>you are suggesting, no one should have said anything about it. Manga
>and anime share their art style and story subjects, but they are still
>separated by their media, print versus electronic. It is picking a
>nit, but it can be argued that this is anime, not manga, and manga has
>no place in the discussions here. And if you say anime is inspired by
>manga, so manga is allowed, that opens up the discussions again.[/color]

I don't know who says that, but it isn't me. (I believe rec.arts.manga
is still a going concern...)

[color=blue]
>Finally, there are plenty of on topic discussions here already. If
>you don't feel there are enough, then don't wait for someone else to
>start a discussion. Throw out some topics to get people talking, like
>when I asked which vehicle was better, the Mach 5 or the Mark III.
>Ask for opinions about an anime you are interested in watching, like I
>did about Inu Yasha. And if no one responds to something you wrote,
>come up with something more interesting. If off topic bothers you,
>just ignore it.[/color]

Well, that is part of what killfiles are for - to ignore people who
consistently post off-topic. Are you *sure* you want to suggest "just
ignore it" when the "it" in question is you?
[color=blue]
> I've said my reviews are opinion and not binding
>arbitration -- you are not obligated to see or like a movie based on
>my say-so. Likewise, you are not obligated to read posts my posts,
>and you can use any criteria you choose, be it off topic or you
>disagree with me too much or you don't like me using my name instead
>of a handle or whatever, to reject it. If you can't just ignore a
>thread going in a direction you don't like, then put OT and/or whoever
>it is that is bugging you in your twit filter. So lately I've written
>more about non-anime stuff than anime stuff. Well, that's what's
>grabbing my interest at the moment. Give me time, and I'll be tipping
>the scales the other way again, but it'll be when I've found something
>interesting that I want to talk about.[/color]

I've been interested in a fair bit of non-anime stuff lately, too. You
don't see me posting about it here...

--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> e-mail: s/deadspam/gmail/
"They were engaged in a calm and dignified discussion of important
issues of the day. No, wait, that was somebody else. *These* two
were all but screaming at each other at the tops of their lungs."
- from "Drunkard's Walk V/Oh My Brother II"

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:42:35 -0700, [email]faferd@msn.com[/email] (Mark Jones) wrote:
[color=blue]
>Could we have something along the lines of a vote about this?[/color]

We could, but it wouldn't change the group's charter.

I had a vaugely-similar situation at work a couple of months ago while
designing the office's new emergency-contact posters. I finally had to
tell everyone that it didn't matter what the vote was, or how few people
would see the result, we still couldn't use someone else's trademark.

(No, I didn't post about that here at the time. It isn't
anime-related.)
[color=blue]
> As a
>repeat offender, I think I for one would be more convinced to quit it if
>I really knew it was ticking off a LOT of people, and not just a handful
>who, for some reason or other, just can't stand skipping over an (OT)
>header........like most people, I don't like being considered a jerk, I
>just don't see where the harm is if it's clearly tagged.[/color]

There's only so much room on a disc drive. (It doesn't matter how
inexpensive the drive is, it's still finite.) In a busy group like this
one, every post that's added to the group pushes another one off of the
group, because there's only so much room for posts. When an off-topic
post pushes an on-topic post off the queue and thus makes it
unavailable, that annoys some people.

Yes, we could go to a different server with more disc space to read that
old on-topic post. (Google's, for example.) But that's putting work on
many of our shoulders, just so the singular you can make your off-topic
post.
[color=blue]
>IF anyone who caught my OT post about those ridiculously expensive
>melons in Japan a couple of months ago can say that the few seconds it
>took to read it were utterly wasted, please say so.........[/color]

It's more than "a few seconds" when you have to go find it elsewhere...

--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> e-mail: s/deadspam/gmail/
"They were engaged in a calm and dignified discussion of important
issues of the day. No, wait, that was somebody else. *These* two
were all but screaming at each other at the tops of their lungs."
- from "Drunkard's Walk V/Oh My Brother II"

Pete Holland Jr. wrote:

<pointless excuses for always posting off-topic>

I have been growing wearying of these off-topic movie reviews of late,
mostly because they are "off-topic". First of all, this _is not_ a movie
review newsgroups. It is an anime newsgroup and topics should be related
to that subject. While many anime fans do have interest in other
subjects outside of anime and frequently share them with other, that
does not excuse excessive off-topic posting. If you cannot or will not
start or participate in anime related discussion threads, then we kindly
ask that you go elsewhere. Contrary to your belief, you are not
contributing to the community. Instead, off-topic posts simply add to
the noise.

Farix

Pete Holland Jr. wrote on [Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT)]:[color=blue]
> First of all, this board is for things of interest to anime fans, and[/color]

First of all this isn't a board.

Second of all, it's not up to you decide what is and isn't of interest
to anime fans.
[color=blue]
> Expecting people from here to subscribe to another Usenet channel just
> to follow my writing someplace where it is on topic is unduly
> burdensome because, in some of these environments, the noise is too[/color]

Do you really think your writing is so good that everyone that sees it,
or even everyone in a group where it is off topic to post it, wants to
read it?
[color=blue]
> Second, Star Wars would tangentially qualify for discussion here. The
> first film, New Hope, borrowed elements from the Japanese movie "The
> Hidden Fortress" (Vader even references the movie in one of his
> lines), and live action Japanese media is fair game here. Also, the[/color]

Oh. So anything that references anything that could remotely be related
to Japan in fair game? Or is there a level of separation that is too
far?
[color=blue]
> Finally, there are plenty of on topic discussions here already. If[/color]

There's a problem with that? Or you want more OT posts?

The general rule of thumb for posting to ANY newsgroup is that if the
originating post starts with an OT then it doesn't belong. Only
followups that strike through a tangent should be OTed.

Mark Jones wrote on [Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:35:20 -0700]:[color=blue]
> I don't want to change the topic of this thread ( because I think we're
> making some good points on both sides of the issue ), but can somebody
> tell me just what the 'moderated' part of r.a.a.m. means? I know I'm
> relatively green, but shouldn't we have a moderator rattling around here
> somewhere? Isn't this the kind of thing that moderators moderate?[/color]

There is no moderared part. It's rec.arts.anime.misc

Pete Holland Jr. wrote:[color=blue]
> // The point is not the quality of Pete's reviews - the point is that
> Pete
> // reviews non-anime the majority of the time. I would like to see
> more
> // reviews of anime movies from Pete and other folks here. Off-Topic
> // reviews will always be best located in venues where they are not
> // off-topic.
>
> I was originally going to let your thread die out, but I will simply
> state my case. There's no point in a discussion, you've stated your
> position and we will obviously never see eye to eye on this, so in the
> interest of balance, I will establish mine. Agree with it or disagree
> with it, your choice.
>
> Strap on your helmet, we're going in.
>
> First of all, this board is for things of interest to anime fans, and[/color]

No, actually, it's for anime. That's why it's rec.arts.anime.misc, not
rec.arts.anime.and.others.stuff.pete.thinks.are.of.interest.misc.
[color=blue]
> Star Wars and animation in general are definitely of interest to anime
> fans, or at least the anime fans here, so while it was off topic, it[/color]

Actually, I think many of us couldn't care less about them. Yes, geeky
stuff and anime often cross paths. But there's a whole lot of geeky stuff
that nobody cares about.
[color=blue]
> wasn't as off topic as if I wrote about, say, making jambalaya. There[/color]

And getting kicked in the shins doesn't hurt as much as a line drive to the
nads. But I'd still rather avoid them both. "Not as bad as 'x'" only is
relevent if you're forced to accept either 'x' or 'y'. We're obligated to
neither.
[color=blue]
> are other boards where the terms of what is discussed are subject to
> far more stringent standards (this is precisely the reason I hang out
> on this board instead of the others). I would suggest that, if the
> casual nature of the topics here is problematic, you go to the regular
> rec.arts.anime or find a moderated forum that dovetails with your[/color]

Many of us have been around for quite some time. Where do you get off
telling us to go somewhere else?
[color=blue]
> interests. Likewise, if you are primarily interested in essay-type
> reviews, there are websites, magazines, and electronic publications,
> free and paid for, that have plenty of material. The freewheeling
> nature of the topics is what makes this forum so popular.[/color]

And, if you're interested in posting Star Wars reviews, you're free to go to
a sci-fi or Star Wars forum. Oh, wait, that line of reasoning only works
when you tell us to STFU and GTFO?
[color=blue]
> Expecting people from here to subscribe to another Usenet channel just
> to follow my writing someplace where it is on topic is unduly
> burdensome because, in some of these environments, the noise is too[/color]

Fine, then I shall begin (again) to give my views on politics and religion,
because there are one or two people (and probably no more than that) who
find it interesting, and it would be unduly burdensome to ask them to go to
my livejournal to read it.

Oh, and you reviews aren't so special that we're depriving them of something
by asking you to post them elsewhere.
[color=blue]
> loud. I've tried writing to the movie discussion groups, but there
> are so many posts (and I feel many of them miss the point), that
> following a discussion there is not worth the effort. It's harder to[/color]

Not our problem.
[color=blue]
> talk in a room of shouting people. And just thinking that I can talk
> in a separate area and people from this board will rush to join it
> just to read my opinions is absurdly laughable.[/color]

Well, then, I guess it won't be all that earth-shattering if they don't read
you, then.
[color=blue]
> Second, Star Wars would tangentially qualify for discussion here. The
> first film, New Hope, borrowed elements from the Japanese movie "The
> Hidden Fortress" (Vader even references the movie in one of his
> lines), and live action Japanese media is fair game here. Also, the[/color]

While I agree that L.A. Japanese media is fair game (even though I don't
give a flying fuck about it, unless it's PGSM), I don't agree that Star Wars
counts, just because it borrows. Now, if your essay is about the borrowed
elements, then that's another story. But lifting from Japan, having a
japanese character, or uttering a japanese loanword does not make it
on-topic.
[color=blue]
> art director has said his aim was for anime-style art, so their goal
> makes it fair game. People here discuss American attempts at anime.[/color]

And we discuss it within the constraints of its relevence to the anime
world. With the exception of Avatar, which frustrates me to no end, but I
figure it would be one hell of a losing battle, so it's not worth it for me
to fight it (and there is a lesson that took me a lot of pain to learn, but
that's another story).

None the less, just because that battle is lost, doesn't mean you're
justified in following suit.
[color=blue]
> I've seen discussions about Winx Club, Totally Spies, Avatar, and so
> on.
>
> Third, if anime is the only qualifier to discuss on this board, the
> subjects narrow dramatically. For example, people catching up with
> their friends here and talking about what's new in their lives would[/color]

We generally frown on it if people are using it as a chat room. It's
basically Meta discussion. Especially when something significant happens
with a rammer. Ie, someone getting a job within the industry, Cathrine's
surgery, Lurker's hurricane troubles, etc. And I know I appriciated it when
the forum wished me well after the shootings back in 2007 (but I'll never
admit it, because I suck at touchy-feely stuff). Meta discussion, however,
is understood to be on-topic in all forums. It's a form of housekeeping.
[color=blue]
> also be considered off topic. I once wrote here, "It's so ironic, it
> could cure pernicious anemia all by itself," and was taken to task for
> my misunderstanding. I absolutely deserved it, but by the criteria
> you are suggesting, no one should have said anything about it. Manga
> and anime share their art style and story subjects, but they are still
> separated by their media, print versus electronic. It is picking a[/color]

Manga and anime are, by near universal concurrence, understood to be the
same thing here. I doubt you could get that type of consensus for Star
Wars.
[color=blue]
> nit, but it can be argued that this is anime, not manga, and manga has
> no place in the discussions here. And if you say anime is inspired by
> manga, so manga is allowed, that opens up the discussions again.[/color]

No, we're saying anime and manga are, effectively, two sides of the same
coin. It's like a book vs. the same book on tape.
[color=blue]
> Finally, there are plenty of on topic discussions here already. If[/color]

Doesn't matter. Off-topic is off-topic.
[color=blue]
> you don't feel there are enough, then don't wait for someone else to
> start a discussion. Throw out some topics to get people talking, like
> when I asked which vehicle was better, the Mach 5 or the Mark III.
> Ask for opinions about an anime you are interested in watching, like I
> did about Inu Yasha. And if no one responds to something you wrote,
> come up with something more interesting. If off topic bothers you,
> just ignore it. I've said my reviews are opinion and not binding[/color]

It's not our job to ignore your noise. It's your job not to be noisy. In
having an unmoderated group, we rely on a tacit understanding, among
civilized people, that we won't be utter asshats. The lack of someone to
enforce that understanding does not lift said requirement. However, it does
reflect all the more strongly upon a person's character that they would use
such an excuse to do as the please.
[color=blue]
> arbitration -- you are not obligated to see or like a movie based on
> my say-so. Likewise, you are not obligated to read posts my posts,
> and you can use any criteria you choose, be it off topic or you[/color]

And you were not obligated to read or respond to Dave's post. Nor are you
required to post off-topic stuff here.
[color=blue]
> disagree with me too much or you don't like me using my name instead
> of a handle or whatever, to reject it. If you can't just ignore a
> thread going in a direction you don't like, then put OT and/or whoever
> it is that is bugging you in your twit filter. So lately I've written[/color]

We can't even get people to stop replying to Mikey. How the hell do you
expect us to get them to stop responding to you?
[color=blue]
> more about non-anime stuff than anime stuff. Well, that's what's
> grabbing my interest at the moment. Give me time, and I'll be tipping
> the scales the other way again, but it'll be when I've found something
> interesting that I want to talk about.[/color]

This news group is about anime, not whatever tickles your fancy at the
moment. Get over yourself.

> (And, to employ psychic powers, and predict's Pete's NEXT response, the

Nothing of the sort.

Mark Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> Could we have something along the lines of a vote about this?[/color]

Well, first, we don't need a vote because it's an open forum, and
anyone can post as they like without anyone being able to stop them --
which means that anyone can, and will, gripe, too.

Second, you don't need a vote because I divinely give my permission to
you and select others to post off-topic. Not Starky, though. He's only
allowed to post if he talks about how the anime industry is going to
survive and prosper.

You will see in the next few weeks how effective these decrees will be.

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