So the industry and the fansubbers got together at Otakon, I see...

Dave Watson wrote:[color=blue]
> On Aug 19, 10:19�pm, darkstar7...@gmail.com wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Aug 19, 6:11�pm, Dave Watson <dwbeingupfr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>[/color][/color]
[Snip of verbal emesis I wouldn't have to read if it wasn't quoted
by the otherwise
reasonable Mr.Watson.]

Forbear(!!) , I urge you from response to those under-bridge
dwellers devoted to
disseminating folly.

later
Bobbie

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Samazama no Every single kind
Baka a suru Of stupid thing
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Travers Naran wrote:[color=blue]
> It's amusing how we see these things differently. :-)
>[/color]

Starky believes the world is dark and evil and the only way anyone does
anything right is by iron fist of law. And threat of their cellmate
Bubba. And maybe not then.

This will tend to color his view on most things.

[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> And note: That's not just six million downloaded -- that's six
>> million just _viewed_. I'll get back to that later with some of the
>> more laughable stuff later.[/color]
>
> Remember when someone refused to accept my claim of a similar number? :-)[/color]

Viewed is going to be a much larger number than downloaded, which -- of
necessity -- would be much higher than "bought" even if all the people
inclined to purchase were to do so, since there will be a lot of
downloads and views by those who don't want to pay, can't pay, or who --
after seeing whatever it was -- decide it's not for them.

Six million views of multiple shows? Yeah? And? That's not even a large
audience for a SINGLE REAL TV SHOW.

Starky still doesn't realize that the Big Boys already "get it" -- and
are going with the flow. Doctor Who eps are available for download
across the world within an **HOUR** of first airing. Pirated, no doubt.

The BBC does nothing against this as long as they aren't being sold,
despite the fact that it's by FAR their biggest cash cow. Why?

Because when they release the stuff for sale, people DO buy it.

Fans DO. Teenage fans, old fans, all fans, there's some who don't, but
always some who do. You sell to those who do.

CBS "gets it". They provide SUPPORT for the fans -- down to providing
clips of "evidence" for the fanfic writers to support any pairing you
can imagine. They provide downloads, take fan advice, and -- again
unless it's blatant Make Money stuff -- rarely bother the downloaders
putting CSI on the Net.

Like Napster, Crunchyroll is going legit from being criminal, and that,
too, is a matter of someone in the industry "getting it".

Starky is the one who doesn't get it at all.




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"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:g8hg98$jjl$1@registered.motzarella.org...[color=blue]
> Like Napster, Crunchyroll is going legit from being criminal, and that,
> too, is a matter of someone in the industry "getting it".[/color]

And what, precisely, is it that they are "getting"?

Napster was shut down by court order and then they used its well-known brand
name and logo for a completely different pay service.

Crunchyroll, like every single other site that charges money to view content
which is not theirs, are a bunch of shitbag thieves that deserve jail time.
They are simply fortunate that they are stealing from an industry not big
enough to squash them, and therefore will profit by it. Though the model
they're using is a possibly useful one for legit companies to copy, the
troll is completely correct in his depiction of them.

In both cases, while their method was useful enough to be copyed by a legit
firm (which I suppose could be considered "getting it"), they themselves are
nothing but con artists who profited by illegal actions (actually, I'll give
the Napster guy more credit, since he didn't likely guess at the scale of
what he was creating, whereas the Crunchyroll people intended all along to
sell their site for millions).

I wonder - is there any possible violation of copyright so blatant and
unethical that it would actually be condemned by anime fandom? I guess Son
May went out of business, but then again, Crunchyroll is worse than Son May.

With all due respect, fuck the makers of Crunchroll, and fuck anybody who
ever used their service. And while I understand why the anime companies
worked with them rather than trying to crush them, fuck them for doing that
too; it's a horrible precedent and people like that should never be rewarded
for their actions.

-
Blade

Blade wrote:[color=blue]
> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:g8hg98$jjl$1@registered.motzarella.org...[color=green]
>> Like Napster, Crunchyroll is going legit from being criminal, and that,
>> too, is a matter of someone in the industry "getting it".[/color]
>
> And what, precisely, is it that they are "getting"?
>
> Napster was shut down by court order and then they used its well-known brand
> name and logo for a completely different pay service.[/color]

Napster was still fighting for its life when Bartelsman (I think it
was) bought them and converted them to a pay service.
[color=blue]
>
> Crunchyroll, like every single other site that charges money to view content
> which is not theirs, are a bunch of shitbag thieves that deserve jail time.[/color]

Which is the same as Napster was.


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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote on [Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:37:16 -0400]:[color=blue]
> Blade wrote:[color=green]
>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:g8hg98$jjl$1@registered.motzarella.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Like Napster, Crunchyroll is going legit from being criminal, and that,
>>> too, is a matter of someone in the industry "getting it".[/color]
>>
>> And what, precisely, is it that they are "getting"?
>>
>> Napster was shut down by court order and then they used its well-known brand
>> name and logo for a completely different pay service.[/color]
>
> Napster was still fighting for its life when Bartelsman (I think it
> was) bought them and converted them to a pay service.[/color]

Bought the name.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Crunchyroll, like every single other site that charges money to view content
>> which is not theirs, are a bunch of shitbag thieves that deserve jail time.[/color]
>
> Which is the same as Napster was.[/color]

Napster didn't make money from what was being distributed. Nor did they
have control over it.

"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:g8hkag$9bn$6@registered.motzarella.org...[color=blue]
> Blade wrote:[color=green]
>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:g8hg98$jjl$1@registered.motzarella.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Like Napster, Crunchyroll is going legit from being criminal, and that,
>>> too, is a matter of someone in the industry "getting it".[/color]
>>
>> And what, precisely, is it that they are "getting"?
>>
>> Napster was shut down by court order and then they used its well-known
>> brand name and logo for a completely different pay service.[/color]
>
> Napster was still fighting for its life when Bartelsman (I think it was)
> bought them and converted them to a pay service.[/color]

They'd already been shut down by court order at that point, though. They
were for all intents and purposes dead.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Crunchyroll, like every single other site that charges money to view
>> content which is not theirs, are a bunch of shitbag thieves that deserve
>> jail time.[/color]
>
> Which is the same as Napster was.[/color]

Incorrect; Napster didn't charge money to share songs. As I noted, I will
give more credit to Shawn Fanning than I will the assholes from Crunchyroll.
Not that I'm a big fan of his either, but he did not seem to start Napster
just so he could make money off of it.

-
Blade

On Aug 20, 12:28*pm, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> * * * * Six million views of multiple shows? Yeah? And? That's not even a large
> audience for a SINGLE REAL TV SHOW.[/color]

And, as I recall from the last time that CPM number was brought up,
when you actually go to the origional source (CPM) you find that the
wording they actually used was not the cut and dried "Viewing of
fansubs" as it's being made out to be, but infact was a much vaguer
description "six million anime-related files"

An article on YouTube's new anti-piracy tech:

[url]http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/webscout/2008/08/youtube-and-the.html[/url]

Quote:

"Sophisticated “fingerprinting” systems can
dispassionately speed-watch a thousand
clips in the time it would take a human to
watch one. If these copyright robots spot
anything that matches an item in their vast
memory banks of protected content, a red
light goes on and the nasty little copy drops
into video purgatory, forever."

On Aug 20, 1:41*am, Dave Watson <dwbeingupfr...@gmail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Aug 19, 10:19*pm, darkstar7...@gmail.com wrote:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> > But now I understand _WHY_ you consider it "Mikey's usual stream of
> > diarrhea..."[/color]
>
> Because it's malodorous liquid noisily spewing from the hole of an
> incontinent fool who constantly snubs suggestions of taking bismuth,
> eating yogurt or just going to the toilet until it passes, and then
> you wonder why everybody's holding their nose around you.[/color]

No, that's YOUR diarrhea -- see at least one intelligent poster in
this thread whom I've spoken to as for why your stands don't hold
water (_or_ shit -- please get that fixed...).
[color=blue][color=green]
> > It's like the people that were talked to from one of the companies
> > about prize sponsorship for last weekend, and when the industry came
> > up, it was literally "LA! LA! LA! *I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!" with the
> > figurative fingers in the ear.[/color]
>[color=green]
> > You see, it's as I have said before: *You _HAVE_ to ignore reality to
> > enjoy anime as much as you used to anymore.[/color]
>
> *splutter* Like I should take notes on what "reality" is from a
> fucking stalker.[/color]

You don't have to take it from me, then -- read up on the anime
industry yourself.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > They're still around today -- three of the six who were nine months
> > ago, with another 20% drop in sales forecast, Bandai Entertainment
> > can't afford a decent replicator, so they can't keep a reasoned
> > schedule at various points throughout 2008 -- read up on four more
> > delays for fall titles. *Dub actors are retiring left and right as the
> > dub industry is _DEAD_. *[/color]
>
> So who's retired? *Cite cases and supply links, or shut your festering
> slophole. *And how would you know that Bandai can't afford a decent
> replicator? *Are they telling you this, or are you just supposing
> that's the case?[/color]

Geneon is gone, their rescues part of Funi.

BVUSA has been folded into Bandai Entertainment.

And if you honestly believe ADV hasn't retired from anime, you may
want to even talk to the likes of Andrew Kent about it, who recently
said on AnimeonDVD/Mania's forums that he didn't ever think he'd live
to see the day that he'd survive ADV in the anime industry.

Get real, idiot. Your festering piehole is the one which should be
slammed shut, forcibly!!
[color=blue][color=green]
> > All it's going to take is Bandai Namco
> > getting out of R1, Viz finally dissociating itself completely from the
> > anime industry, and Navarre going under, and there's no industry at
> > all.[/color]
>
> Jesus, can't you wet-dream about sex with people like normal humans do
> (although I have my own reasons to wish that Viz would go out of
> business)?[/color]

Because they basically have subjugated anime to a secondary form of
merchandising, and your feelings are hurt?

Al Kahn was RIGHT -- unmerchandisable anime should not be made,
period.

As for your question, do you want me to go back to jail for that or
something else?
[color=blue][color=green]
> > I give that one year, especially with the US economy in such laughable
> > state.[/color]
>
> So if the industry is still alive one year from now, will you finally
> go away? *Please?[/color]

I'd probably be going away one way or the other, but on my own terms,
not yours.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > And, as for that last comment, you got two ways to make me leave:
> > Jail me or shoot me. *Pick one.[/color]
>
> Tough as fried shit, this boy. *Jesus, you sound like the pathetic
> hair metal fan losers I went to high school with.[/color]

Watson, you don't get rid of people like me without shooting us or
jailing us. That simple.

Mike

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:41:39 -0700 (PDT), Dave Watson
<dwbeingupfront@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On Aug 19, 10:19*pm, darkstar7...@gmail.com wrote:[color=green]
>> On Aug 19, 6:11*pm, Dave Watson <dwbeingupfr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > On Aug 19, 5:29*pm, darkstar7...@gmail.com wrote:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> > > And here's the report:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> > >[url]http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2008/fansubs-and-industry-[/url]...[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> > > And here's my comments:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> > [Mikey's usual stream of diarrhea snipped.][/color]
>>
>> But now I understand _WHY_ you consider it "Mikey's usual stream of
>> diarrhea..."[/color]
>
>Because it's malodorous liquid noisily spewing from the hole of an
>incontinent fool who constantly snubs suggestions of taking bismuth,
>eating yogurt or just going to the toilet until it passes, and then
>you wonder why everybody's holding their nose around you.
>[/color]

Maybe he spends a lot of time in dumpsters . . .

[color=blue][color=green]
>> It's like the people that were talked to from one of the companies
>> about prize sponsorship for last weekend, and when the industry came
>> up, it was literally "LA! LA! LA! *I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!" with the
>> figurative fingers in the ear.
>>
>> You see, it's as I have said before: *You _HAVE_ to ignore reality to
>> enjoy anime as much as you used to anymore.[/color]
>
>*splutter* Like I should take notes on what "reality" is from a
>fucking stalker.
>[/color]

I think he might be moving on to Cindy Lauper . . .

[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>> > > That's why I will stand behind the "one more year", even though, with
>> > > the incompetence shown here, they shouldn't be around today, as I said
>> > > six months ago.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Well, guess what? *Despite your "mark my words, people" small poultry
>> > blather, they're still around today. *They'll still be around in a
>> > year, like they have for over 15 of them already. *That's why we don't
>> > take you at all seriously, and never will. *Face it. *So why don't you
>> > just fuck off and go find a hobby that doesn't involve harassing
>> > people for a change?[/color]
>>
>> They're still around today -- three of the six who were nine months
>> ago, with another 20% drop in sales forecast, Bandai Entertainment
>> can't afford a decent replicator, so they can't keep a reasoned
>> schedule at various points throughout 2008 -- read up on four more
>> delays for fall titles. *Dub actors are retiring left and right as the
>> dub industry is _DEAD_. *[/color]
>
>So who's retired? Cite cases and supply links, or shut your festering
>slophole. And how would you know that Bandai can't afford a decent
>replicator? Are they telling you this, or are you just supposing
>that's the case?
>[/color]

Keep in mind this is the guy who thinks Bandai Visual was a
legitimate company, not an experiment; don't expect any actual names
either . . .

[color=blue][color=green]
>> All it's going to take is Bandai Namco
>> getting out of R1, Viz finally dissociating itself completely from the
>> anime industry, and Navarre going under, and there's no industry at
>> all.[/color]
>
>Jesus, can't you wet-dream about sex with people like normal humans do
>(although I have my own reasons to wish that Viz would go out of
>business)?
>[color=green]
>> I give that one year, especially with the US economy in such laughable
>> state.[/color]
>
>So if the industry is still alive one year from now, will you finally
>go away? Please?
>[color=green]
>> And, as for that last comment, you got two ways to make me leave:
>> Jail me or shoot me. *Pick one.[/color]
>
>Tough as fried shit, this boy. Jesus, you sound like the pathetic
>hair metal fan losers I went to high school with.
>[/color]

Nature has a way of dealing with his kind . . .


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