~Manga Discussion~

[Combomambo69]

So close. I hoped to see Madara's real face but Kishi is determined not to show us for a good while. Sorta felt like the person under the bandages could have been Orochimaru. We saw Ibuki too. It must have been ten years ago, after the Kyuubi's attack, when he decided to found Akatsuki.

Thats either false or tobi is not madara because the hairstyles are different from the flashback we just saw and the one with naruto's parents fighting madara.

[gunstsings]

damn, it feels like instead of answers, we get more questions
and the fight, uber short, i was expecting at lest one chapter, that is to tell how strong guy really is, and it seems that he get in hand of the scroll as well, wonder if is the real one, and will tobi get the info

[Madara]

Thats either false or tobi is not madara because the hairstyles are different from the flashback we just saw and the one with naruto's parents fighting madara.

i now think tobi IS madara, kisame recognized his as mizukage before, and now we know why, cuz he has seen his face at fourth mizukage's era

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but goddamn it lots of new questions arose with this chapter....

yeah a lot of question...and i'm trying to figure it out one by one, here we go...

why they got seperated and why kisame tried to kill mizukage knowing he is literaly madara ?

why kisame want to kill the 4th mizukage?
you see, the kirigakure guy (with the byakugan) in the kage summit said that he was able to see through the illusion placed on the 4th mizukage
then somehow, they were able to remove the illusion from the mizukage...
mizukage was free from the illusion, that means mizukage know all madara's plan...
and judging from kisame's personality, he will protect the info at all cost, in other words he capture the mizukage and extract the bijuu out from his body
see this image...

that's when gaara's shukaku was extracted...notice the gedo mazo already had two eyes open, that means there's another bijuus extracted before shukaku, and one of them must be 4th mizukage's sanbi

we are sure that he WAS using his body back then (mizukage was still alive) so maybe my theory that he is using yagura's body is kinda correct

is madara using 4th mizukage's body?
there's something bugging me about madara using mizukage's body...
you see, mizukage was small and if it's true madara is using his body...how come he's as big as madara?

kisame was able to see madara's face with his own eyes and then...
then kisame recognizing tobi was madara as soon as tobi removed his mask, that means the current madara was the same with madara who's controling 4th mizukage (the only different is the hairstyle, he could be cutting his hair...why not?)

why kisame and madara was separated?
ummm, i'm still confuse about this...
maybe, kirigakure was in chaos after the mizukage's incident so madara and kisame had to leave the village separately...
then madara were meet with nagato in amegakure and make an allies there, and then madara told nagato to recruit kisame as a member of akatsuki but kisame wasn't know that madara was in akatsuki too...until tobi remove his mask

well, that's just my opinion...if you have any other idea, feel free to refuse my idea ^^
damn, that was the longest post i ever wrote...

[Madara]

why kisame want to kill the 4th mizukage?
you see, the kirigakure guy (with the byakugan) in the kage summit said that he was able to see through the illusion placed on the 4th mizukage
then somehow, they were able to remove the illusion from the mizukage...
mizukage was free from the illusion, that means mizukage know all madara's plan...
and judging from kisame's personality, he will protect the info at all cost, in other words he capture the mizukage and extract the bijuu out from his body

thats a good one but there are three problems :

1: was that biakugan guy around back then ?
2: there is this problem with anime and three tails arc, if three tails was sealed before one tails, then this whole 3tails arc was a goof (i doubt that cuz kishi is supervising anime and wouldnt let that happen)
3: there is no way madara could seal the three tails before shukaku and two tails, gedu mazu's balance will be distorted (but still that picture is showing two eyes open)

kisame was able to see madara's face with his own eyes and then...
then kisame recognizing tobi was madara as soon as tobi removed his mask, that means the current madara was the same with madara who's controling 4th mizukage (the only different is the hairstyle, he could be cutting his hair...why not?)

yepp they are the same,plus tobi's and madara's moon's eye plan is the same, but why was madara's body covered in bandages?(somethings is still missing here)

why kisame and madara was separated?
ummm, i'm still confuse about this...
maybe, kirigakure was in chaos after the mizukage's incident so madara and kisame had to leave the village separately...
then madara were meet with nagato in amegakure and make an allies there, and then madara told nagato to recruit kisame as a member of akatsuki but kisame wasn't know that madara was in akatsuki too...until tobi remove his mask

well, that's just my opinion...if you have any other idea, feel free to refuse my idea ^^
damn, that was the longest post i ever wrote...

i donno about this either. somethign must have happened back then
i think that at some point madara freed the three tails and killed yagura, i donno

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dammmmmmmmit i forgot about sanbi has no host back then when he was captured by deidara and tobi...
then that means, mizukage's die because sanbi was able to get out from his body (just like madara did with kushina)

was that biakugan guy around back then ?

well, he said it himself that he was the one who recognize that mizukage was under illusion, that means he was there back then

there is no way madara could seal the three tails before shukaku and two tails, gedu mazu's balance will be distorted (but still that picture is showing two eyes open)

o yeah it will be distorted
then what's those two eyes meaning...the balance is already distorted before they extract shukaku/ichibi (is it a mistakes?)

but why was madara's body covered in bandages?

it could be the wound from the battle with hashirama

and i forgot to mention about you saying "madara's sharingan always activated"
i think i already post this before...i don't think madara's sharingan always activated, cause if it is always activated kisame would recognize tobi was madara as soon as tobi join the akatsuki...the last chapter makes this clear, kisame saw his right eyes

[Madara]

o yeah it will be distorted
then what's those two eyes meaning...the balance is already distorted before they extract shukaku/ichibi (is it a mistakes?)

i guess thats a goof probably or maybe plot hole,

and i forgot to mention about you saying "madara's sharingan always activated"
i think i already post this before...i don't think madara's sharingan always activated, cause if it is always activated kisame would recognize tobi was madara as soon as tobi join the akatsuki...the last chapter makes this clear, kisame saw his right eyes

he wasnt wearing a mask back at mizukage's time,thats why kisame saw his face

[03523014]

i guess thats a goof probably or maybe plot hole,

you see i'm confuse about this

kisame was explaining about gedo mazo, that means it's really have to be extracting from shukaku to kyuubi, to keep the balance...but

that's chapter 329, they're sealing sanbi and pein said as soon as they done with sanbi, they will seal the niibi after that...and in chapter 332, it was confirmed that niibi was sealed after sanbi

and then after that they were sealing the 4 tailed, the one who's captured by kisame on the first image...
so the question is...
why there's already two eyes before they're sealing shukaku?
why sanbi was sealed before niibi, isn't that will distort the gedo mazo's balance?
and, kisame said "there are only a couple left", that means hachibi and kyuubi...but in anime if i'm not mistaken it's a filler before the news about jiraiya's death and pein invasion to konoha, utakata the bubble user (if i'm not mistaken he's a 6 tails/rokubi) wasn't sealed yet and then was captured by pein in the end of the filler
i think it's really a mistake

[Madara]

and then after that they were sealing the 4 tailed, the one who's captured by kisame on the first image...
so the question is...
why there's already two eyes before they're sealing shukaku?
why sanbi was sealed before niibi, isn't that will distort the gedo mazo's balance?
and, kisame said "there are only a couple left", that means hachibi and kyuubi...but in anime if i'm not mistaken it's a filler before the news about jiraiya's death and pein invasion to konoha, utakata the bubble user (if i'm not mistaken he's a 6 tails/rokubi) wasn't sealed yet and then was captured by pein in the end of the filler
i think it's really a mistake

the whole 6 tails arc was a goof i mentioned it back then, back then there were only 7,8 and 9tails left but they showed pein capturing 6 tails. i cant find the post i made. but on the whole you/ we/ one cannot trust anime.

we have to consider only manga. so based on manga my answer will be this, probably kisame in here

talks about only 9tails. we know that 9tails is of greater hatred and chakra considered to other bijuu, so he means that 9tails should be sealed after all eight bijuu are sealed, so the sealing of other bijuu doesnt need to be in order

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what a goof, rokubi's filler are suck (well most filler are sucks anyway)...

i see...that's make sense if kyuubi are the last because he's the strongest and the greater hatred (yeah he's special)
and the balance will be distorted if he's sealed before the others
ok maybe like this...kisame said gedo mazo will be crumbled if they're sealing kyuubi before the others, maybe that's because gedo mazo can't hold kyuubi's chakra until they have another 8 bijuus chakra

back then there were only 7,8 and 9tails left

so the gedo mazo's order maybe like this : [two eyes already opened it could be 5 and 6] - 1tails - 3tails - 2tails - 4tails - and as you said 7 8 9 left