Prayer is Pointless

[Molomono]

using bad words and giving name to them doesn't make talk become right,it only release ur anger and hate, and closing ur mind!

even if u read it, u didn't read all of my words,we must have base religion to start searching about god,some where to begin with!,they are like basics in wisdom.

what u think I'm terrorist or something?, my friend cool down ur anger.

that is why humans are evil creatures,using god for their purpose and giving no respect to him,DID U READ ALL OF MY WORD! how does the water moves and gravity and wind all THEM ARE PART OF THE GOD.

Mind responding to my post?
I sure would like to see that happen.

And on topic.

A prayer is a thank you to god, if you believe in god and feel its needed to thank him, than Prayers will give you hope and fulfillment.
If you think prayers are useless than no it wont give you jack shit.

Its like thanking a girl for a good night, thanking her for the night is like returning what she did for you.
But some people don't feel its necessary to thank a girl for a good night, so they just don't thank 'em.

And sometimes prayers are also used to relieve stress, i tend to use masturbation and sex for that but some people also use prayers.

But for the same reason, why pray 3-5 times a day on a regular basis when its enforced times by your religion (ever Sunday, or whatever the Muslims have), it loses its meaning to pray and becomes worshiping.

[Byako_x]

There's nothing wrong with praying. But it is wrong when you hope all your problems can be solve magically.

There's nothing wrong believing in God. But its wrong to pray and ask him to solve problems for You.

I'm no Christian. But i believe there is a creator for everything exist. HE creates systems, creations and destruction, life and death, happiness and sorrow. etc....
And we use the systems and knowledge to live our lives and solve problems till the end. We choose the right systems and knowledge for the right problems. If the method we use doesn't seems to crack the problems, try another one. God doesn't do this for us. he creates methods, we choose.

Every event triggered by multiples events. All the problems we have comes from this. money problems, relations, health problems, etc.............. They come from people. not God. They triggered by multiple choices and decisions made by many people........

I want to write more. But it think that's enough. People won't like it. XD

[pipboy3000_v2]

Flameo, if u in anger with me PM to me,so we can talk more closely!

I called you insane and I said you sound like a crazy person who would suicide in the name of his God because the way you type.

About the base thing, I don't care. You never replied why you stated that you shouldn't believe everything. Because to me that sounds like you're saying you only take pieces you like, then throw away the others you do not like.

Whatever, I can't be bothered trying to make you realize how stupid you sound, with you it'd probably be impossible.

instead of argument , let's share types of thats we agree more!
humans always advance because of sharing their thoughts, so let's cut this fight and get to the point, and If I'm too wrong in some parts, what can I say,only I'm sorry,is this good?
and about understanding my words, writing and speaking can not give all of my thoughts,for example I'm writing something but when i read it, it read like something else.
RighteousRob, nice mottoes,well speech,a simple sentences always win big ideas!

There's nothing wrong with praying. But it is wrong when you hope all your problems can be solve magically.

There's nothing wrong believing in God. But its wrong to pray and ask him to solve problems for You.

I'm no Christian. But i believe there is a creator for everything exist. HE creates systems, creations and destruction, life and death, happiness and sorrow. etc....
And we use the systems and knowledge to live our lives and solve problems till the end. We choose the right systems and knowledge for the right problems. If the method we use doesn't seems to crack the problems, try another one. God doesn't do this for us. he creates methods, we choose.

Every event triggered by multiples events. All the problems we have comes from this. money problems, relations, health problems, etc.............. They come from people. not God. They triggered by multiple choices and decisions made by many people........

I want to write more. But it think that's enough. People won't like it. XD

Byako_x, great speech, U spoke what that is in my mind,and please write it more its better than some junk bullshit writing of some people!

[Byako_x]

Every time we discuss religions, people get angry easily. Its a fun topic. Cool down, write calmly. Its just opinions........... and don't make accusations of any level.

........the main issue is blaming God for everything. We pray,but nothing happens..., Some might gladly die for the sake of their god, and creates a bunch of new problems for others, and said, "its God's will".

Lets take the "die for God" for an example (all those soldiers and suicide bomber). Were they really died for their God? Or is it they think they die for their God or country, but actually they only die because of the glorious speech of their leader/president/Sultan/Pharaoh/Emperor/King/Queen/Joker XD ? Die because of the magnificent teaching of their religious teachers who actually have some sort of political importance? or maybe die for the sake of vengeance because some other people terrorized them first?

Even these my beloved friends, is the works of humans. Not God.

I'm not a religious guy. Far from it. I like hentai. XD .......... but, to me, blaming somebody else for the problems we have, just because we can't find the right solutions for our problems is wrong.

ok... that's enough. I can smell something burning already... XD

[alex1_phang3]

You see, long ago I would say "since this world is so twisted and corrupt, even if there's a god, the this GOD is not doing their job."

Now that I realized, wasn't religions originally made so that it can led people to do good and in a sense, make a better society?

As far as I see, when religion is being mixed into politics, causing some very biased policies to be made and forced to be agreed upon.

[Byako_x]

Now that I realized, wasn't religions originally made so that it can led people to do good and in a sense, make a better society?

As far as I see, when religion is being mixed into politics, causing some very biased policies to be made and forced to be agreed upon.

Yes. That's what happened actually. The world has become like this because of that. People don't follow religions any more. They used it. They change it.

That's my point. and yet.... we still blaming the Creator.

We forgot the basic concept of life: we have to work for everything. Use every single resource we have. Prayers and meditations were created to ease our mind so we can think carefully. Then the "thinking" is what makes us go forward. Not the prayer itself.

Sorry if i said too much........

[alex1_phang3]

Not too little not too much.

But you know, like the title said "prayer is pointless".

You can interpret that from various perspective though.

For me, why pray if you know its not gonna work?

What for if you already knew you cant achieve something?

[Flameo]

@Pipboy3000
Pming constantly is troublesome.

I don't mind prayer, but seriously, you should see by now it's gave you nothing.
I used to believe in a God till I was around 13 when I realized it's doing jackshit for me.

Prayer done nothing, ill family members still died, overall bad things which just suck still happened.
And you say if you pray "deeply" it will be granted? Yea, right.
I think praying for an ill family member who could possibly die would be considered pretty deep, no?

Also, what about the Iraq war, etc.
You think people aren't praying about family members fighting there?
Are the prayers helping? No, they're not. The war is still going on and hundreds of people are still dying.


And this is why I'm getting annoyed, prayer might give you hope, but it's false hope.
Making you think to yourself everything will be better and happy.
Till you realize, oh wow It never worked.
Then what happens? Yea, you get pissed off and angered.

If books claim prayer works then why the hell hasn't it worked for me or pretty much anyone else?
I say "pretty much" because you of course will always get those people who try get a story in the news paper with a false story.


And with those who do get their prayer, it's luck, pure concidence.

[rjtayler]

Being an Atheist for many decades now {I have not formally prayed to anything since 1979} I have watched and read this debate here with great interest and have found it fascinating from a 'neutral' perspective.

[pipboy3000_v2]

hey people why we still talking about prayer!
we all know that it gives nothing but only mediation,calm,moment to think beyond, and in Islam it also used as worshiping god too.

instead of wanting something from prayer, work hard for what u want and u will obtain it, but don't blame those praying cause prayer is part of my religion (as I said for worshiping god, we thanks him for days we live).
Lets finish this talk: god put u in this world to live for urself and solve ur own problems, that is the point of living, try pass it good, leave good name for urself in this world.
So,the conversion is over, there is no point we can talk further...

used to believe in a God till I was around 13 when I realized it's doing jackshit for me.

and when u in13 what made u to not believe in god,may be there is something u done that made u hate god,why my little highlander ?

Byako_x, I knew u r Muslim too.